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Bora Pure X induction cooktop with Integrated exhaust

4 years ago

Am thinking of installing this (recirculating unfortunately). Anyone have experience with Bora cooktops on a kitchen island? Did you sacrifice much storage space to accomodate the exhaust? Any advice much appreciated.

Comments (12)

  • 4 years ago

    Complete joke.

  • 4 years ago

    In what way?

  • 4 years ago

    It’s a giant marketing whopper to even suggest that it can do 1/100th of what an overhead vent can do. Surface mounted downdrafts are giant scientific jokes, sold to people who never cook, and have no expectations of actually venting. Because it won’t do anything real. It can’t. Science says so. Despite the marketing spinners.

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  • 4 years ago

    @User: While you are correct, in my view, that this device is over rated, misusing the term 'science' in the same manner as, e.g., climate modelers who can get any result they want from simulation, or other recent examples in other fields, is not the best way to be persuasive, particularly to anyone who actually knows what science is and isn't. Better to use observational data and supporting theory to estimate behavior.

    Cooking plumes have been measured and reported (1) and behavior of air flow into apertures published (2). Approximate performance of particular cases can be extrapolated, but only qualitatively. Computational fluid dynamics can be more exact, but even there the modeling needs to be very carefully performed.

    So my point is to not invoke 'science' as a standard because those who are aware of the term's egregious misuse will not consider it a valid argument by itself.

    ______

    (1) Thermal plumes of kitchen appliances: Cooking mode, Risto Kosonen, Hannu Koskela, Pekka Saarinen, Energy and Buildings

    (2) HVAC Applications, 2003 ASHRAE Handbook, Chapter 30

  • 4 years ago

    You would be better off installing your cooktop on a wall where you will be able to install a ventilation duct to the outside, and have a nice overhead hood. You will never be happy with what you've proposed in your OP, and you will be cooking there for years, and be unhappy with it the whole time.

    User thanked M Miller
  • 4 years ago

    @M Miller wish it was that easy. Am in an apartment, smallish kitchen, the hob is currently against a wall which will be removed to create the island. Current rangehood is ducted into the ceiling cavity. I know, I know … terrible.

  • 4 years ago

    @User thanks for explaining. Am in a bind with it as eternal ducting not allowed in my building. Appreciate your reply.

  • 4 years ago

    @kaseki I am currently remodelling my kitchen/diner and plan to have a hob positioned in a peninsula. I have been looking into ceiling extractors but concerned due to the height, they may not be efficient. I have come across the integrated vent hobs, but very interested in your comments regarding the efficacy of these units. In your opinion, would you consider a ceiling mounted extractor better than a downdraft, even with the ceiling height taken into consideration? Our ceilings are around 2.3m. Thank you in advance.

  • 4 years ago

    @Louise Blay: You left out too many parameters to make a decisive argument either way. Let me explain. The down-draft, or pop-up side draft that pulls effluent sideways and then downwards, can be effective against very low velocity grease entrained plumes such as might be generated by low temperature cooking, bacon simmering (but only if proximate to the pop-up) and perhaps fish poaching. I believe I argued above and in other threads what the plume diversion issue is between the possible air flow into a slot and the upward momentum of a hot oil/grease cooking plume.

    On the other hand, a flush ceiling register that is smaller than the plumes that make it to the ceiling will not capture moist greasy plumes impinging on the ceiling outside the register area. Slotted versions may pull air along the ceiling, but this won't be fully effective against impingement or thermal condensation of moisture and grease particles. You want overlap and whatever amount of below baffle reservoir is feasible.

    There is an intermediate case you don't exclude, particularly by your use of "ceiling mounted." A hood mounted into the ceiling that has a base at 7 ft (2.1m) or even lower depending on chef head contact can be effective if the hood entry area is at least 8, better 10, inches (20 - 25 cm) larger than the boundary of possible pan edges on the cooktop. What are the joist cavity dimensions in your ceiling? Even with a flat ceiling scheme you need to use the joist cavity for installation.

    Please provide some insight into what you cook, tolerance for grease and odor, and how fanatical you might be with respect to hood visibility.

  • 11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    Bumping because…

    My cousin was visiting from Germany and he told me how he missed the cooktop in an apartment he just gave up. Further discussion, it was a BORA induction with a ”sink” in the middle for downdraft which then goes through a high efficiency filter. I pulled up some marketing videos, and he said the downward suction was as strong as they showed.

    Over there it’s a matter of need, as their home efficiency regulations make venting difficult.

    I see BORA is partnering with Whirlpool to sell this technology in the states. I guess we’ll find out! I can’t speak to his cooking style or anything, but he’s an extremely smart engineer/product developer type so I do do give a little weight to his review despite my own distrust of downdraft.

    https://www.whirlpoolcorp.com/latest-news/whirlpool-corporation-and-bora-introduce-revolutionary-induction-downdraft-cooktop-technology-to-north-america.html

    Don’t shoot the messenger!

  • 11 months ago

    I suggest an in-store demonstration where the effluent to be captured and contained is hot peanut oil and its smoke emitted from a pan operating near the oil smoke point. The less extravagant cooking in the WhirlPool link might be adequately dealt with, but one would want to prove that by demonstration.

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