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4 years ago

I have a 1961 built home in Central Jersey (climate zone 4). Been living in it for about 4 years. The attic is pretty messed up in terms of insulation. It's currently insulated with the equivalent of approximately R-19 ( 2 layers that total to about R-19). it's got all kinds of debris from when the roof was replaced. Picture attached.

I heard about Home Energy improvement rebate from my gas company (Elizabethtown gas) where they will give out rebate and 0% financing for consumers who choose to upgrade their insulation and air seal their attic. The only stipulation to qualify for the rebate is that it has to be done by contractors that are approved by the gas company.

Basically the project is:

  1. remove existing batt insulation
  2. air gap sealing, and
  3. re insulate with r-38 faced batt for about 900sq feet of insulatable space. About 500 sq feet of the house has cathedral ceiling and not accessible through attic.

There are only 2 contractors that are approved by the gas company. I called both of them up. The first company showed up, didn't even take a measurement and quoted me a square footage that's bigger than my house, and magically come up with $13K minus $2K rebate. So, definitely cross him out of the list.

The second company is very detailed. asked for my gas and electric bill, and quoted $8800 minus $2800 rebate. I can finance $6k over 10 years with 0% APR. The proposal of work is (removal is not mentioned in the contract, but will ask to be revised before i sign. ):

1. Contractor will perform air sealing in the attic as needed, with approved weatherization techniques from the Department of Energy, "Building Performance Guide".
2. Contractor will install duct wrap to the bath fan ducts.
3. Contractor will install R-38.4, 12" fiberglass batting to the main attic flat open areas atop existing insulation approximately 865 square feet.
4. Contractor will install R-18.0, 3" closed cell spray foam to the knee walls approximately 68square feet.5. Contractor will apply for permits needed for completion of contracted work. The cost of applicable permit will be an additional cost to the customer.
6. Cellulose type insulation conforms with the following specifications: Federal Safety Specification #HH 151 5D United Laboratory Classified
Consumer Product Safety Commission #16 CFR 1209 Factory Mutual Tested



I called up 2 reputable attic companies with good reviews Attic Crawl and master attic. They are very similar with prices, around $4800. The spec of work is as follow (very similar between these 2 companies):

  1. Plastic/Dropcloth
    Line floors and walls with plastic/dropcloth to maintain clean workspace
  2. Insulation Removal
    Bag and remove 900 sqft decomposed R-11 faced batts (double layered) from accessible areas of attic floors and 120 sqft from walls facing living space. 16” joists. Same day removal of trash
  3. Heavy Duty Vacuum Cleaning
    Vacuum rodent droppings. dirt , dust and insulation fibers with industrial 23 horsepower vac
  4. Sanitizing - Disinfect for Germs and Bacteria
    Spray germicidal bleach to kill bacteria, germs and allergens in attic
  5. Air Gap Sealing
    Seal Wire/Pipe/Draft holes with expanding foam to boost energy efficiency, protect from condensation and to block potential rodent access to walls in home
  6. Rodent Proofing - Interior & Exterior
    Seal rodent entry points with galvanized mesh and expanding foam in attic. Complementary
  7. Baffles
    Install baffles in eaves of joist bays in attic.
  8. Faced Batts R38 16"
    Install 900 sqft Owens Corning Eco Touch R-38 faced batts in floors of attic.
  9. Faced Batts R13 16"
    Install 120 sqft Owens Corning eco touch green guard certified R-13 faced batts in walls facing living space in attic

My question is:
1. is it worth spending this kind of money for attic? according to the report from my gas company, I am MUCH MORE efficient compared to the average efficient home in my neighborhood. But mostly because we keep the temperature at 61/62 in the house, and dial it all the way down to 50 at night and use electric blanket. In the hot summer however, electric bill goes up to north of $300

2. assuming no 1 is worth pursuing, is it worth spending the extra $1000 going with an approved contractor? I don't really care for the 0% apr if it's $1k cheaper by going with regular contractors.

Any thoughts are appreciated.






Comments (3)

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    If you can forgo the clean-up and willing to DIY I'd blow 1000 pounds of cellulose over the top. I did and though very dusty only took about 4 hours. Cost was $500. Search for "cellulose insulation" on this forum and youtube. More info if interested.

    https://www.greenfiber.com/products/765ld-all-borate-loose-fill-insulation

  • 4 years ago

    My experience was that the approved contractor did a sloppy job.

    I would go with the one that offers the most thorough scope of work (looks like that would be one that you hire outside of the rebate program), with a guarantee to come back if you notice any problems.

    I found that the air sealing and additional insulation has made a difference in how hot the upstairs is - my house really doesn't have efficient ductwork.

    Ask your contractor to evaluate the adequacy of the attic ventilation - that makes a huge difference in summer heat.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    My mom went through the rebate program with approved contractor's. She called three different contractors one kept cancelling. One didn't even bother to look at her attic or bring a ladder and barely talked about what would be done. The third took their time, through inspection and well written estimate. She went with #3.

    She didn't have a as many things as you have listed done. Had some insulation blown in about 20 years earlier but not much. This time mostly blew in more insulation, some sealing done and air seal tests done (or whatever they were called. Baffling replaced. Additional roof vents added. There were three, two added. Wasn't as expensive as yours. FYI, we are in Minnesota.

    That summer the home was definitely cooler. But winter came and there was a hot spot on roof above kitchen so they were called to look at. They sent out two seemingly more experienced (older than the two employees who originally did work). They were there for two days, about 10 hours plus fixing baffles that were not quite right and more sealing in kitchen area. But, in the end it made a difference in heating costs, from what they can tell, I don't have numbers, they don't either.

    Your attic may be more complicated (parents roof has only 2 planes) and may just need more work to complete the job.

    FYI: the second crew that came to fix the hot spot said that the hot spots were probably caused by the soffits above the kitchen cupboards. He said from their experience they tend to trap heat from the outside and from kitchen, and are hard to really ventilate properly above them. It seemed a probable explanation since it was the only area there was a problem.

    I see insulation on the underside of roof decking. I thought that was a big no-no because it traps cold/heat in attic and can cause condensation in cold weather. Unless you have a hot roof which yours is not.

    From your pictures you will definitely greatly benefit upgrading your insulation. It looks very inadequate. The $4800 doesn't sound out of line for all the work listed to be done. The materials are inexpensive but the labor is what is the lions share of the costs.


    I kind of like the second company although the 8800 shocks a bit. But the spray foam insulation on knee walls is an extra more costly treatment. Do they check your eave vents for blockage and install baffling, make sure you have adequate roof vents? They do have to keep customers happy if they want to be on the approved list of contractors so there is that.