Edited to add more questions: This is a very unusual plan. Maybe you have good reasons for all of this. It's hard to give any advice without understanding more about your life and needs. How many people live in this house? How many people do you entertain at one time? how many people work in the ktichen at the same time? Are they all family or guests, or are some of them paid help? You have 3 sinks, 2 dishwashers, 3 ovens with the main 2 ovens lacking a good landing space, 5 refrigerator/freezer spaces, a large walk-in pantry, and a butler's pantry that not only doesn't relate to the dining area at all, but is a lonely dark closet that doesn't relate to the other work zones at all.

I ahve commented on this space before but as to this dilemma IMO in this huge space where it seems it is geared towrd entertaining I would have 2 DWs

Honestly, I am not a fan of either layout because neither seems practical. Considerations:

1. Do you enter the kitchen via the mudroom? When you're carrying bags of heavy groceries, you want to set the bags on a counter and make access to your fridge and pantry the top priorities. The fridge and pantry in revised layout are on opposite ends of the kitchen. I assume you'd set the bags on your island; from there you're moving to multiple places to store groceries away (fridge, fridge drawers, pantry, etc.). You're hardly efficient here.

Suggestions:

2. Move your pantry closer to your primary fridge. Consider having the pantry behind your cooking range and making that pantry accessible on both sides of your kitchen. That would certainly be convenient. The current butler's space can move to where you have your pantry and be an independent catering kitchen with a fridge, sink, small cooktop, microwave, dishwasher and storage. That way you have the main kitchen + a small kitchen where you can store food for a party, and bring that food out to either the dining area or island...This would be more practical

3. Increase the size of your primary fridge. Can you make it a 42- or 48-inch fridge? This might be nicer and more practical than fridge drawers

4. Do you bake or use your oven much? Your ovens are close to your fridge in the revised layout and that doesn't make sense. The only prep area close by is the island. Consider having all your ovens next to each other with lots of baking storage (trays, bowls, etc.) and prep counter space close by. It makes sense to me to put the ovens where the coffee bar is in your current kitchen layout.

3. There's nothing wrong with having main kitchen sink on island. You'll want cutting board and knife storage close by in addition to dishwasher and trash.

4. I would add a small prep or bar sink near your dining area so it's accessible for your beverage and coffee area.

5. Add a potfiller above that stove range. That way if somebody is at the sink across from it, you have access to water for cooking

6. Undercounter microwave should ideally be closer to dining table/bench

7. Where are all your dishes stored? This is not clear. You'll want them accessible to your dishwasher but also to dining areas

My $0.02. Bottom line, I think you can have a primary sink in the island plus 2 smaller sinks for beverages and a catering kitchen. I just think you need to reconsider how you want to live in this space with an eye toward practicality. You're not quite there yet.

Just a suggestion for the butler's pantry,

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I am a big fan of sculleries, so I am into this plan more than the others may be. However, I am not sure how the sink+DW on the lower right will be used if your main clean up in in the scullery? Maybe move both dishwashers into the scullery and then move the wall oven to the lower right, creating a baking zone with landing space. Would give your more fridge room. What would you keep in the scullery freezer drawers that you would not keep elsewhere?

Putting all of the cleanup into the butler's pantry/scullery is a good idea! As long as the dishwasher likes solitude. The main thing here is consolidation. One prep area (it can be designed for more than one person prepping at a time), one cleanup area, one baking area with landing space, one primary refrigeration area. Maybe you also add additional small refrigeration and an oven in the prep space, and small refrigeration and bar sink in the beverage area.

@rainyseason and @mcarroll Do you think it would be annoying to always go back to the scullery area to set dishes after dinner and to wash dishes? I guess that is the part that is throwing me off about that being the main dish drop off and clean up area. Thanks for any input you may have!

The distance wouldn't bother me. Our dining room is a similar walk to the dishwashing area. Washing up in that closed-in area would bother me. But then, doing almost any lengthy work in that area would bother me. You've designed a work area there--do you see yourself being happy doing cleaning or prep chores in that space?

@mcarroll16, the butler space needs some work for sure. Our initial plan was to have some sort of butler space for food storage, smoothie prep (my husband goes through a 10 minute process of making smoothies most mornings and it involves a lot of chopping/prepping), extra appliance space that we don't want on our main counter (i.e., Vitamix, Stand Mixer, Toaster, and a space to get a lot of dirty dishes out of the way, say when we are hosting. It was never meant to be our primary clean up space. However, as you can see, we now have a completely separate walk-in pantry, so really the Butler "hall" doesn't seem to have the best purpose. You are right in that it overlaps with other areas as a prep space and dishwashing space (I guess also serving as a "left out appliance home").

The "dishwashing counter" you see in one of these plans was just a suggestion by another poster, simply to get the dishwasher out of the island and allow for more prep drawers in the island. Also to have a space that would eliminate dirty dishes from the island.

One thought...We are not opposed to eliminating my office, combining the Roman office space with Michelle office space and making that one large walk-in pantry/butler area. If we do this, Roman's office would then be shifted to the current pantry area.

Sometimes it seems silly to have a completely separate prep area just for smoothie drinks, but the idea sounds kind of nice to us because we can then leave the Vitamix out of sight, along with the other appliances we use regularly, but don't want out.

Any further thoughts would be helpful...

Interesting--that's helpful info. I do agree with the previous poster that it's good to get the cleaning area off the island, since that's the main prep space. Especially since this kitchen looks set up for a lot of entertaining--i.e. lots of dish doing.

If you want to use the Vitamix and other appliances in a separate pantry area, you will want a sink there. In which case, you do want to keep two separate pantry areas. I've seen advice from the experts here that food storage areas should not have heat or water. Since you're open to reworking the whole area, what about reworking the cleanup wall plus some of "Roman's Office" into a unified area for sink, dishwashers, small appliances, and the wall ovens? Then another chunk of office space plus the current butler's pantry for the food storage, including the primary refrigerator and freezer space? Your cleanup, baking, and smoothie prep areas would feel more open but still not be in the main public area sightlines. Your food storage would be in the central windowless space, which is fine for the quick in-and-out trips you make for grabbing supplies.

@thekeller4 kind of curious to know what you finally did as we design our kitchen.