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Kitchen Sink Choice

4 years ago

We’re undergoing a kitchen refacing project that will involve replacing the countertops, sink and cabinet doors, among other things, but keeping the cabinet boxes. This is my 3rd houzz post this week and I really appreciate the help!


Current sink (see photo) is a 33” Kohler apron front, double basin. The counter cutout is 30”W. Base cabinet is 35”. We have very little counter space, and it feels like we’re dedicating too much space to the sink. The apron front also feels too visually imposing, and the double bowl is non functional with the very thick divider. So, we’re going to switch to a single basin stainless undermount and modify the cabinet front for a more seamless look.



A few questions:


-Should I go with a 30” or a 27/28”? I know I’m splitting hairs but we need as much counter as we can get. On the other hand, we’re a family of four with lots of kids dishes that pile up quickly—would rather those dishes have room to live in the sink for a few hours, rather than on the counter. Anybody unhappy with their 28”? Is bigger always better? (To be clear, this would be interior bowl width 28” vs. 26”.)


-I’m looking at Ruvati, Kraus and Blanco (but happy to consider others). We’re going for a more traditional look—this is a 1935 tudor revival home in Alabama, so contemporary wouldn’t be right—but don’t want it to look basic. A few pros and cons of each:

-The Ruvati Parmi line has a 30” with nice rounded corners. I think this is my top pic. 16 gauge. But it has a center drain. Is that going to drive me crazy? Is it too rounded to be current? I like that the depth is 9”. 10” feels pretty deep in an undermount installation.

-I know Kraus has wonderful reviews, and has 30” and 28” models, but those corners seem pretty tight. I’m not willing to spend a ton of time cleaning gunk out of the corners, and again, I’m worried they are too modern.

-The Blanco formera 28” seems like a nice compromise on the rounded corners but still updated look, and it has a rear drain. It’s 18 gauge though. Is that an issue? Does it have good sound proofing? Also more expensive. Also don’t think they have a 30” option?


Here is my faucet, which I suppose is relevant:

I know I have lots of considerations here - size, style, depth, gauge. There is also a 100% chance I’m overthinking this. Would love any advice you have! Can’t promise this will be my last post here…. Thanks!

Comments (12)

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    A larger sink can give you more counterspace if it's a workstation sink. Now your cutting board is right above your disposal, just where it belongs, instead of on the limited counter space. Get a 36" cabinet and a 36" workstation sink:



  • 4 years ago

    I got the Kraus KHT410-33 Standart Pro. Tight radius/ 18 gauge.

    Replaced a 60/40 cast iron sink. Bought the 33" because it fit in the existing hole.

    After installing it, it looked like a bath tub. HUGE. I could have easily downsized and still had a really big sink.

    What was important to me was get the corner drain. I thought I needed/ wanted 16 gauge SS but turns out that the Kraus 18 gauge is just fine. Sturdy/ solid/ doesn't sound tinny. There is enough sink bottom slope so it drains well. Willing to make trade offs to get the corner drain (so much less clutter under the sink going with a single bowl vs double bowl and more user friendly space with the corner drain. Plus got it for a good discount on Prime Day.

    The tight radius corners are not a problem to clean. (I did not want the square 90 corners & don't care for the swooped corners, either.)

    Such a simple small thing--the drain cover. Love it!

    Sink is a dual mount--can be top mounted or under mounted. Paired it with a Moen Adler faucet.


  • 4 years ago

    I have a Create Good Sinks and I love it. I have the 33" with the drain on the right. We've had it for several months and I'm thrilled with how it looks and performs. I'm not thrilled with the grid on the bottom as it can get gunky but my family is FINALLY learning to rinse it off after using the sink. We paired it with a matte black Delta faucet. Create Good Sinks

    elizht thanked spagano
  • 4 years ago

    Thanks, all! Is the offsetting drain as big of a deal if you’re using a basin rack? Trying to convince myself (for the more traditional Parmi) that pots and pans won’t sit directly over the drain if they’re on the rack. Unfortunately the Create Good Sinks are a little out of budget. Trying to decide where to save and splurge, and the sink is officially in ”save” territory. It seems like Kraus, Ruvati, etc. make a great product for a good price but someone please correct me if I’m wrong!

  • 4 years ago

    We have a Kohler Stainless, 30" double basin. It was here when we bought the house 10 yrs ago. I love it but when we remodel, I will go with a single basin. It gets a lot of use, cleans up so well. When I clean it, it looks like jewelry. The I'm guessing it is well over 10 yrs because the rest of the kitchen is falling apart and we plan a gut of the entire space.


    But, I will get a Koher 18 gauge, single basin. My sink has curved corners and it very easy to clean and I am always amazed how beautiful it looks after using Barkeepers on it. It truly sparkles and it is an old sink.


    Jane

  • 4 years ago

    Is the offsetting drain as big of a deal if you’re using a basin rack?

    Racks make no difference because the rack still has the hole over the drain. The center drain was a major annoyance with the old sink which is why I insisted on a rear corner drain for the new sink.

    elizht thanked ci_lantro
  • 4 years ago

    Ok, so I think I’ve narrowed it down to a few models, in order of preference:


    Ruvati Parmi 30”: Pros - Traditional shape, good size, good price, 16 gauge; Cons - Center Drain


    Blanco Formera 28”: Pros - Rectangular with rounded corners, rear drain; Cons - More expensive, 18 gauge (maybe not a big deal), too small? (but would give me more counter space so…. pro?)


    Ruvati Modena 31”: Pros - Rectangular with rounded corners, Rear drain, price, 16 gauge; Cons - too big? (need the counterspace), it’s on backorder


    Ruvati Gravena 28” or 30”: Pros - Both size options, rear drain, good price, 16 gauge; Cons - really tight radius, contemporary shape


    I’m really having trouble finding anything with a left/right drain in this size, except some of the Kraus models, which are pretty contemporary looking. I think I can live with a rear center drain. I really like the workstation concept but again, pretty tight radius there. I’ve only seen rounded corners in some bigger models that are too big for my cabinet (which I can’t change, @Joseph Corlett, LLC). I’ve also looked at the Elkays, but I think anything over 27” requires a min cabinet width of 36”, so I can’t make that work.


    @ci_lantro I’ve definitely considered the Standart PRO and good to hear that the corners are easy to clean, but I think the tight radius might be more of an aesthetic issue for me. Something that rectangular might not fit in the style of my house. Great feedback though!


    So, it seems like I need to choose which is most important to me - drain location, size, or rounded corners! Never thought I’d spend so much time waffling over a stainless sink - my cabinet guy is probably ready to kill me!



  • 4 years ago

    You are way over thinking this! A squared off under mounted sink will in no way affect the style of your house.

  • 4 years ago

    LOL @chispa you’re so right!

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    "I think anything over 27” requires a min cabinet width of 36”, so I can’t make that work."


    A 27" sink will undermount into a 27" cabinet, a 30" into a 30", etc., no matter what the sink manufacturer says as long as the sink is strapped, not clipped, in place.

  • 4 years ago

    Is the offsetting drain as big of a deal if you’re using a basin rack?

    When we did our kitchen reno we went with a rear center drain (with disposal underneath). I wanted the drain and faucet to line up in a symettrical fashion. Our cabinets below the sink have a frame (so when you open both doors there is a piece of wood cabinet frame in the middle). Offsetting the drain would have meant the loss of one side of cabinet space due to the disposal unit, while the center drain and disposal are behind the piece of wood so you still have two sides of cabinet space underneath the sink.