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No stain with a water based poly?

4 years ago

Hi! I’m wondering what the negatives (if any) are there to doing no stain on white oak floor and just applying a water based poly. I did my research and am going with Bona Nordic Seal followed by Traffic HD to get a natural look. My friend wants a similar kind of light natural look but decided to just use the builders products (minwax and duraseal) and do no stain with just water based poly. Are there negatives to that? What kind of look would that achieve? Is it less durable/more prone to yellowing?

Also, as of now I am doing two coats of Nordic seal followed by 2 coats of Bona Traffic HD in extra matte. Should I be requesting them apply a 3rd coat of the traffic? I’m sure they will charge more for that so I just want to be sure it’s really necessary/worth it. I also wanted to ask if there is a way to tell them to apply the matte finish so that it looks less cloudy? I read about people applying different finishes first and then topping with the extra matte. Will that end up looking less matte overall? Are there any negatives to doing this?

Thank you so much in advance for your help and advice!

Comments (17)

  • 4 years ago

    It's always better to lay down wood that is the color you want rather than messing with stains. Many fewer bad surprises.


    People in the trade will tell you the third coat is the "money coat"-- it's what make the floor look really good.


    I don't knw so much about floor finished, but when finishing wood in general one used gloss for the first however many coats then a lower sheen only on the final coat to maintain maximum clarity.


    Beware that matte floor finishes will show every smudge. We went from semi-gloss to matte when we refinished, and I can't say that I'm happy with how much more work it takes to keep it looking nice.

  • 4 years ago

    Thanks for your insight! Our floor is already installed so no option for a pre finished color… did you do a light color with the matte finish?

  • 4 years ago

    @G&S Floor Service I would love your professional opinion on these points! You’ve really helped me in the past…

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    If, the look you want requires no stain. Then, yes, use a system that requires no stain.



    Most water base systems requires a sealer to prevent edge bonding and panelization. You will need to check with manufacturer to see which product line requires it. Traffic HD requires a sealer over white oak, stain is not required.

  • 4 years ago

    Thank you! What kind of systems are good for no stain? And if im using Traffic HD how important is that third top coat - is 2 coats of traffic on top of two coats of Nordic seal okay?

  • 4 years ago

    Also is there a difference between Bona Traffic in Matte and Bona Traffic HD in extra matte? Can you tell me the differences? Thank you @G & S floor services your expertise is always so helpful!

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Traffic HD is more durable than Traffic. HD is a more superior product.


    If, you are using HD, a third coat is recommended if, you are expecting 500 daily foot traffic.


    System for no stains, Bona Traffic HD and Loba Supra AT are great systems. You will need to use their sealers. Depending on the look you want, other brands to consider are Pallmann, Ciranova and Arboritec.

  • 4 years ago

    Thank you! Is it bad if they only do two coats of traffic HD? Will my floors have issues now or will it just mean refinishing earlier?

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    If, you did not use a sealer. I recommend applying a third coat to meet the film build requirement of 3 mil. The first coat mostly gets absorbed into the wood with very little sitting on top.

  • 4 years ago

    I am using a sealer - two coats of Nordic seal

  • 4 years ago

    Do you feel like a third coat of traffic is important in my case? I have three kids - no pets. Definite foot traffic tho!

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Two coats of Traffic HD is more than enough. If, you are unsure, go for the third coat. Now is the time to do it. Plus, you will have peace of mind.

  • 4 years ago

    Thank you so much! One more question - you have been so helpful! If I want the extra matte finish - should I ask them to do the initial coats semi gloss and then finish with a matte coat? I’ve seen that mentioned but how important is that for them to do? Will it make it look less matte? Just looking for some clarity on that if I am doing 2 coats.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    I do not see that being important at all. I have always applied the same sheen throughout, never had a issue. A lot of homeowners and contractors have had issues. Only cause I can think of is insufficient coverage.

  • 4 years ago

    Okay thank you!!! I heard people say that it could be cloudy with 2-3 coats of matte but if you haven’t seen that I trust your expertise. Thank you so much!! You have been so helpful

  • 26 days ago

    I live on an island and would prefer to use solid wood for my flooring. Would you recommend a particular wood to prevent cupping? I prefer wide boards. But I have been told I would have cupping with any solid wood in this moist enviroment. Could you advise me?

  • 24 days ago

    You'd probably be better off starting a new thread on this different topic than tagging on this one.

    To avoid cupping use quartersawn wood. Oak is the easiest quartersawn flooring to obtain, but any quartersawn wood will be less prone to that kind of movement than the plain sawn alternative. You will have much less of an issue with narrower boards. If I were anticipating a problem I wouldn't go wider than 2-1/2". Engineered flooring will let you go wider.