The first one looks alot like Ebb Tide

I am taking a guess: Wide Brim and Francee.

Wide brim first.

I still say the 1st is Fortunei Aureomarginata. Wide Brim has beautiful buds before flowering that I do not see here.

I failed to do the most important thing here which was to give you a scale. You folks guessing Wide Brim seem to be right, may correct…… here’s a pic of both again with scale. I apologize of the holey leaves——- this year I had some burn from the drenching on a number of hostas. I also think the one holey one has some slug damage😠

back yard WB, I bought this labeled as such:

Flower

Front noid

Flower

Smaller noid, don’t think it’s Francee, probably just random seed. Chartruese Wiggles is next to it and Blue Ivory near too.

Also don’t know if anyone noticed, a bunch of little leaves at the base of the crown——never had that either.

Francee

Hosta_maker, how does a fortuni flower look different from a tet?

debra

Agree w/ Wide Brim and Francee

Do you know where you bought them?

Deb tet flowers arent all that different. on the fortunei, the leaves are thicker, but probably the easiest tell is a stiffer flower scape at bloom time.

here is a revolution seedling thats tet.

hybrids from the forunei tet seedlings can have a better display. this was open pollinated. this could be a diploid or a triploid.

it doesn't have the thick leaves or stiff scape. so probably no a tet. very few hybridizers want to create triploids. scaredy cats