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Tile pattern advice for large outdoor space

3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

I am waterproofing my deck and the main area is 19' x 27'. I won't be tiling the deck but the final waterproofing surface will be applied in a way that mimics tile. Something akin to stamped concrete but it actually looks like grouted tile.


They can make the "tiles" in any size, shape and pattern I want. In a large area like this I lean towards 24x48 (mostly) or 24x24. I have both inside my house and they are stacked in a straight grid. Ordinarily you are advised against a 50/50 offset with large format tile because of the potential for lippage, so I've never given any thought using 24x48 in anything but a straight grid. But lippage is not a concern here so I have options.


As I said I prefer 24x48 so ultimately trying to decide if a straight grid or 50/50 offset would look best. But also open to good arguments for 24x24 even though it's not my top choice.


Any advice on what pattern to use? If it helps, I've attached a photo of the main part of the deck.


Thanks in advance!


Comments (21)

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I like the flooring from the inside taken at least in color to the outside deck or patio so I would do the same stacked look with at least a similar color to the inside tile and also the same size .

  • 3 years ago

    I would agree with straight set 24x48. Clean and simple.

  • 3 years ago

    Perhaps I should have included this photo with my question. This is basically the way it is going to look, gray "tiles" with fairly thick white "grout" lines but these are 12x24 and mine will be bigger. I'm afraid a straight grid is going to look like a giant Excel spreadsheet.


    In my house I have 1/16" grout lines and the grout matches the color of the tile so it looks more like a slab than a grid.


    Does this change anyone's mind?


  • 3 years ago

    What do you see from inside? Is this off of your main living areas?

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    This is off the master bedroom which has wood floors.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    you could try and match your wood floor if you want to carry it out.

    They do a stamped concrete that looks pretty good








    Or, you could try this type of look




    or the others








  • 3 years ago

    Thanks but the install has already begun. My only decision is the pattern.

  • 3 years ago

    Out of curiosity, could you post the product and an example or link of how they pattern stamp a liquid-applied waterproofing product?

  • 3 years ago

    and I posted at least 8 diff patterns

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I don't think a pattern with anything white is appropriate here. It is too contrasting and jarring. No pattern at all. Or something less contrasting than white.

  • 3 years ago
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    @3onthetree I posted a photo of the actual finished product above. The design isn't stamped, they do it by masking the grout lines. And the grout lines are a bit recessed when the process is done so it's not completely smooth.

    @Beth H. : I appreciate all the patterns you posted and there are a few that I like but those examples are of a totally different product than what I'm using.

    I've narrowed my decision down to 24x48 in either a straight grid or staggered 50%. Also open to 24x24 format if anyone has good arguments for that. Beth, what would you choose between those options?

  • 3 years ago
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    @User Looking too busy is a bit of a concern for me as well because my space is much bigger but I really like the way the colors look on the balcony I posted above looks. You don't like that?

    I could have darker grout lines like this example, but with the larger tile pattern and the primary color would still be the same darker gray as on the balcony above. What pattern would you use?

    @3onthetree This is another example of the same thing.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I think if you like more of a modern type of look, the stacked is fine. ( i prefer that one)

    I also like the 24x24.

    50/50 can get a little busy looking, especially if you go w/a contrasting grout.

    It all depends on the look you're after.

    It would help if you could show an example in the color and sizes you're looking at.

    is this it? I don't care for the white lines. on a roof outside they will get filthy. do a light or medium gray


    I looked up some waterproofing 'patterns'.

    is this what you're getting?






    Or this one? this is Calif Decking out of LA


    I'd prob go for the larger size. this looks like a 12x24

    Or here's Tufflex: (and the squares you mentioned)




    this look is really cool


    I'd prob want to do something like this after the waterproofing




  • 3 years ago

    Not so much a pattern, I'm asking for the product because I have never heard of an applied waterproofing that you can "stamp," let alone have variations in height, and yet act as a finish traffic surface.

  • 3 years ago
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    @Beth H. : I am definitely going for a modern look. I'm not sure what all those products are that you posted, but my photo of the balcony that you reposted above is the exact product I'm getting and the colors I plan to get. I think it's the same technique as the photo you posted from California Decking. The tile color can be whatever I want but at this point of the process it would be hard to change the grout color to something other than white, but it can be done (extra time and expense).

    I had some renderings made to help me visualize the patterns. The white here is way brighter than the actual white. The actual grout lines are basically the color of light cement, not like bright white paint. And the lines won't be nearly as thick as they appear in these renderings. The grout lines will be more like my photo of the balcony or your California Decking photo.

    Which option do you guys like best?

    I could also go with a uniform color throughout with no grout lines. Anyone think this is a far superior choice?

    Straight 24x48


    Staggered 24x48


    24x48 diagonal


    24x24


    24x24 diagonal


    @3onthetree The way they create the recessed grout lines is by masking the grout lines and then applying another skim coat of cement. Then they apply the color waterproofing layers. Then when they lift the mask the lines are recessed mostly due to the extra skim coat layer.

  • 3 years ago

    Ok then, when I hear "waterproofing" that is 1 layer in a multi-part layered system, which is what you are getting with a wear layer. And I couldn't tell from your pic if you have an EPDM membrane or exposed concrete so wasn't sure.

    For the pattern, I do realize the white in the rendering is very unnaturally consolidated, and there would be a couple more tiles lines in the 19' direction. But I'd probably stay away from diagonal - there would probably be too many odd triangular pieces, and it seems your eye follows the "grout lines" towards the wall when you turn your head that way.

    The 50/50 offset says tile, IMO it looks good on smaller spaces and smaller "tile" sizes, but not as successful here with the large space and large tiles (in large spaces your eye picks design lines near you and you follow them beyond the area around you - with 50/50 it's too messy with the white on dark). Both the 24x48 and 24x24 look good, I would look for design lines with the rest of your unit or the building for tilting the scale. And also, consider the glass guardrail will mirror some of the lines, so you may see a lot more white "grout" lines with some schemes.

  • 3 years ago

    Thank you guys for your feedback! I also lean towards the 24x48 straight grid. And good point about the lines also being reflected off the glass rail.

    Since it has come up a couple of times, parts of the house are gray and parts are white. So the gray and white floor would compliment that. I honestly have no idea why I am going with these white grout lines because ordinarily I want my grout lines to disappear, which is how it is in all but one room of my house (where I have bright white contrasting grout). But something about that balcony photo (a previous job by my waterproofing contractor) really struck me.

    However, I just found out as I was typing this that the minimum width of the grout lines is 1/2" and that seems like a lot, especially with this much contrast. So I might just go with solid gray but I think that could look cheap/unfinished :-(

    Here's some other examples with 1/2" lines.




    @3onthetree You seem knowledgeable about this stuff. Do you know how UV fade resistant this stuff is? If I have a patio umbrella or patio heater in one spot for a long time, will I see ghosting when I move it due to uneven UV exposure? The contractor says this could take years but I'm worried it can happen faster. There will be a clear cost over the color coat which should help UV resistance.

  • 3 years ago
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    One more tile pattern question. My deck is 226" wide. Rather than using a standard tile size of 24x48 I can make the tiles 56.5" wide so I get four full columns instead of having partial columns. That's actually how the rendering turned out with four columns. Any good reason not to do that?

    And this might be a super obsessive question but would I want to make the tiles 28x56 to keep a 2:1 ratio?

  • 3 years ago
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    i'd like full columns instead of partial slivers. ask the deck guy if he can do it.


    don't over think it usc, i'm sure either one will be just fine.

  • 3 years ago

    I would agree that if you can design any pattern and size, go for less "grout lines" and no slivers. Nothing is holding you to a 24x48 tile size unless they are using prefab stamps. If it is a UV topcoat product then you shouldn't have issue with fade for just a planter or two and an umbrella/furniture. In my experience, by the time the concrete topping colors are changing, the system is in disrepair anyway.