My specimen grows in semi-shade. Its blossoms open a little later than the other old roses and is not quite as vigorous. Still, the color is amazing. I wish regular Tuscany, instead of Tuscany Superb were offered, as I like to see the gold stamens. But maybe there is no such beast.

One more. I love this rose.

Good Morning Ladies,

I too have purchased a 2 gallon plant of this rose to be planted in a new OGR display at the Summerland Ornamental Gardens next spring. I have a further 15 or so OGR varieties to go in the same display, so figuring out height, spread, etc. is going to be a bit of a project in order to determine what goes where.

I found this Blog Italian posting on Tuscany Superb on line after reading Dianela's original post. This Lady certainly has grown an outstanding speciment. I can only hope that we can do as well. This rose is gorgeous. Don't know if the link will automatically translate though. HMF lists the size as 3 to 5 feet tall and 2 to 3 feet wide. But as you say Dianela, the images vary widely. I am going to guess at 4 X 3 for my location. But suspect that size will depend a lot on culture, sun exposure and moisture.

Cheers, Rick

I think these are roses where budded vs. own-root makes an enormous difference. I saw Tuscany Superb once at the Roseraie at Bayfields. They imported their once-bloomers from Canada, and they tended to be budded. That one certainly was, and it made a very mannerly shrub that was about 4 x 3. A few years later, I had a chance to get an own-root Tuscany. Its growth habit is that it doesn't have a growth habit. There is a cane, three inches over there is another cane, and a third cane is about two feet away from those. It isn't a shrub in any definable sense of the word. Right now it has a fair amount of competition because it wandered into a patch of chrysanthemums, a baptisia, and a peony. Not to mention multiple patches of daylilies.

I think it was Brent Dickerson who opined that these are species selections.

Thanks for sharing mad_gallica. I an own root TS and it is aa wimpy grower in my garden. Planted in May 2021 and still small and no blooms yet. Maybe 2023 will be there year. All the other own roots send to do pretty well in my garden. RRR ????? (😑) Poor TS.

Thank you Monarda your blooms are gorgeous. Thank you for sharing.

Rick I have seen the images your link took me to and I could only wish for my plant to look half as good as that one in the future. Wow that is a beautiful specimen.

mad_gallica I was watching a video on YouTube from a lady name Gardengeek. She went to England and recorded her tours of several very large gardens. They all have Tuscany Superb but the plants seems small. Is Charles de Mills a more aggressive and larger plant.

Librarian your post concerns me. Your climate should be a lot nicer than mine. I think they don’t love the heat and your plant raining small is worrisome.

Dianela I started with a tiny band and it gets more shade than. shade it probably should in height of summer. We'll see how it turns out next season. It did grow so much slower than other own rootroots I planted at the same time.

Ugh, Houzz is really having fun with me today. Deleting words and adding words

Dianela, it is very hot here and I love mine here. I wish I knew how large they will be in the long run, but they are too new.

I don't think in these cases it's the usual 'grafting adds vigor' bit. It seems more like grafting confines the vigor to one place, so instead of spreading out, the rose grows up.

Mine is not a tall plant, maybe 3'. It suckers so comes up in other roses' territory. Mine is never a shrubby mass of blooms. More here a bloom there a bloom. But it's beautiful and tough. Mine's own root. I'm in zone 7a.

Perhaps if they were sunk in the ground in a 5 0r 10 gallon nursery pot, the habit might improve. It should contain any suckering and hopefully cause the plant to make more canes close to the center. I have roses that have been grown that way in summerland for 3 years and they are doing just as well as others. I had planned to do that with the new plant of Charles de Milles in order to keep it from suckering and taking over territory belonging to other roses.

Just a hunch, Cheers,

Rick

I will get mine this week and plant it in full sun. I think it will be ok if it spreads since I normally like the more “wild” looking gardens.

I have had mine for over 20 years and it has never spread, or at least not much. I don't do anything to it.