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Rose Identification

3 years ago

Can someone help me identify this rose, please? It is at my childhood home, in Romania, zone 7a. It is quite old. It was there when my parents bought the house, 22 years ago. It is a very resistant plant; it was moved several times and it was not really taken care of over the years. The flowers are small to medium in size, have a strong floral smell, grow in clusters, and keep their petals for a long time. It is in abundant bloom from early spring all the way into winter months. If the winter is not too harsh (<10 degrees Celsius for days), it blooms during winter, too. I believe it could be a climber, if trained. I'd like to identify it hoping that I could purchase it in US. Thank you in advance!









Comments (32)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Iulia,

    Ce minune! N-am auzit niciodata de un trandafir sa infloreasca iarna acolo. :)

    Nu cunosc varietatea dar esta foarte frumos. Florile rosii imi amintesc de Romania, mai ales trandafirii si muscatele.

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
  • 3 years ago

    'Gruss an Teplitz', perhaps?

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked User
  • 3 years ago

    I can definitely see how it could be Gruss an Teplitz, after googling it. Thank you very much!

  • 3 years ago

    Similar to Excellence von Schubert, but maybe yours is redder? Read comments in Help Me Find because in the US another rose that is more paler pink is often sold as EVS. I bought EVS from Burlington, since she has the real one. It had a sweet scent and the flowers closed at night and opened again each morning.

  • 3 years ago

    Excellence von Schubert

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    China and damask or gallica cross? French roses were exported to Romania in the 19th century and up to the 1930's. You could buy them from garden centers or by catalog order. Growers in Romania also hybridised their own, too. This one is obviously a strong grower all seasons - china genes.

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Bob Atchison - Pallasart - Hagia Sophia
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I used to bring branches of roses from Europe and root them in the USA with great success.Can you get a branch? do you travel back home? Fed Ex would work, too. BTW except for the red color and fragrant it looks like my La Marne.

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Bob Atchison - Pallasart - Hagia Sophia
  • 3 years ago

    Paul you nailed it! Plus she can order it from Heirloom. THANK YOU for your expertise!

  • 3 years ago

    "HMF says neither CR (or TCR) or Excelsa is scented, and neither repeats much, if at all. That doesn't seem to fit with Julia's description of a 'strong floral smell' and almost perpetual blooming." @comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate)

    You're right. I didn't review the text, only looked at the newer photos. Now I'm totally stumped. It cannot possibly be either Turner's nor Excelsa.

  • 3 years ago

    How about Super Excelsa?

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Formerly RBEHS Z10A/S17
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I don't have experience with it, but Quest-Ritson describes it as producing its flowers repeatedly and being slightly fragrant if you can trust that.

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Formerly RBEHS Z10A/S17
  • 3 years ago

    @comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate) 'Gruss an Teplitz' does not produce large panicles like that, no.

  • 3 years ago

    @Formerly RBEHS Z10A/S17 The OP's rose is described as strongly scented and "abundant bloom from early spring all the way into winter", and 'Super Excelsa' cannot be described in those terms, not even remotely. But if you go by looks alone, that was a good guess.


    This rose has inherited R. multiflora's spray habit of bloom (or possibly R. soulienana), but has picked up the repeat bloom habit from something else - possibly a Floribunda, which would make this a kind of Hybrid Musk. So we may be looking for a scented, medium red Hybrid Musk.


    Iulia Bradeanu thanked User
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Could your special red rose be this Hybrid Musk?

    'Rosaleen', Bentall 1933.

    Links to Pemberton Gardens and HMF below.

    Carol

    Pemberton Gardens

    HMF Rosaleen

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked portlandmysteryrose
  • 3 years ago

    Ill have to try and find pics of my Wilhelm, but his fragrance isnt strong. For some reason, this rose reminds me of Harkness Robin Hood, a rose I really like that has incredibly strong gfragranc fragrance.

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley, I'd forgotten about Robin Hood! (So many roses to remember; so little brain storage here.) Genius--you might be on to something! A remontant that is likely Hybrid Musk as @User mentioned. With strong fragrance as @comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate) noted. @Iulia Bradeanu, could this be your rose? 'Robin Hood', Harkness 1998 HMF link below. Carol

    Robin Hood/Madrigal/King Arthur

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I have old Russian rose magazines from before the revolution with lists of roses and where you could get them. There are lots of ads you can order direct from Paris and London. There are also ads for seeds from America. The magazines have articles on the latest from London and Paris garden shows and illustrations. All of this was destroyed in 1917. The roses in the Imperial greenhouse in Tsarskoe Selo were sent to Petrograd and a new stste greenhouse.

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked Bob Atchison - Pallasart - Hagia Sophia
  • 3 years ago

    Thank you very much for everyone's help! I'm discussing with my mother and having her send me a few cuttings this summer. I hope they get to root. I haven't been around the rose in about 6 years, except for occasional visits, so I may be wrong about the scent. I'll ask my mom to see how she would describe it.

  • 3 years ago

    That sounds lovely, Lulia! Please keep us updated if you get a chance. I'd love to hear more of the continuing story. Good luck with your cuttings! Carol

    Iulia Bradeanu thanked portlandmysteryrose
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    “I'm actually surprised you can ship plant material to the US from Europe - I thought the US customs would be fairly draconian about that sort of thing, to prevent spread of diseases, etc.”

    You can’t. There are very strict import regulations, and if you attempt to circumvent the rules for importation, you can get into serious trouble.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Drugs are shipped by mail without getting stopped. it's crazy how lax things are. i haven't done it for a very long time. I never had to give them up so I have never been stopped. I only did it with England a few times. i was given cuttings from Windsor that were supposed to be from the white rose plant Queen Victoria took flowers from for the wedding of one of her kids. After they rooted and bloomed it was a red gallica, probably Charles d'Mills (sp). That took years to discover! Gardeners at the Royal palaces and estates loved to be asked for cuttings.

  • 3 years ago

    Bob, you can buy prescriptions through the mail because protocols have been established to enable it. Importing rose materials from out of the country has a very different set of protocols to deal with such activity, and its a lot like how Homeland Security deals with things. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, plant imports and quarantine is now handled by Homeland Security.


    Sure, its possible you might get away with stuffing a few cuttings in a box and shipping it overseas and not get caught, but I guarantee you, if you DO get caught, the consequences can be severe.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Well, Paul, my old days of doing such things ended 7 years ago when i lost my right foot. I don't travel anymore even with my prosthetic. My Windsor rose was in 1982 or 84 - a long time ago. I also brought a 1720 common moss from England openly in 1979 in my bags and declared it. it just bloom once or twice before I had to move in 1985. It would not transplant and died. I have been hunting for common moss ever since. Last year i found two bands of it. I hope they take off.

  • 3 years ago

    Paul, I am not telling anyone to break the law.. I did this 30 or 40 years ago and was just sharing my experience. I declared the common moss plant and I won't be doing this again since I am crippled and 71. Please forgive me if I offended you!

  • 3 years ago

    No offense taken, Bob. I just wanted to make sure folks understood that mailing plant material between countries is subject to regulations.