Consider recessed LED lighting. I had fixtures that looked like yours in my master bath, but changed them over to similar-looking Halo LED lights when we remodeled 5 years ago. Two of them were complete fixture installations, and the others were conversions of existing cans. The quality of the light is better, they generate very little heat, and none of the bulbs have needed replacing.

@kudzu9 I really want to avoid LED lighting if at all possible, but thank you! Judging how hard it has been to find traditional options, it appears I'm in the minority

Go to a lighting store not home depo,

for now, look at the Nora lighting options and the Halo recessed options, also look up Nicor.

if your remodeling and it will be inspected you most likely will have to have LED so also talk to your contractor.

Are you sure you want to reproduce that trim? It's so, well, old looking.

• Juno Recessed Lighting 250-WH (similar to Halo 300)

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Whether these fit would depend on the housing you have. Bulb is also housing dependent.

• Juno Recessed Lighting 20-PW (nothing special; uses A19 bulb)
• Juno Recessed Lighting 27 (lots of finish options; uses PAR bulb)
• Juno Recessed Lighting 24 (several finish options; uses PAR or BR bulb)
• Juno Recessed Lighting 247 (lots of finish options; uses PAR bulb)

LED bulbs have improved dramatically, use less energy, and don't get hot. I like those from Euri Lighting.

@wdccruise Is this considered old looking? It looks pretty standard to me but i would love suggestions if the look has changed.

Non LED please

FYI:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-us-is-phasing-out-incandescent-light-bulbs-180979992/

Yes, I think that style of lighting is very dated looking.

I very much prefer the clean, streamlined look of recessed integrated LED lighting.

momof4-

Just curious...why would you want to avoid LED lighting? It comes in a variety of color temperatures, saves energy/money, and saves having to do regular bulb changes. I'm progressively using it to replace all the traditional lighting sources in my home. I have tall ceilings in a lot of rooms so I also appreciate that I'll be spending less time on a ladder in the future replacing dead bulbs.

@kudzu9 The integrated LED recessed lighting has several issues in my opinion: 1) I don't care for the flat integrated look, 2) when they fail (and they will) you have to replace the entire unit - problem with this is that they won't sell the same exact unit 5 or 10 years later, so then you are stuck with mis-matched lighting. We could buy extra but how many extra does one purchase for this purpose? 3) The light bothers my eyes (it flickers like a doctor office, in my opinion). We brought some home and after seeing them in person I am really not a fan. I want the option to change out lightbulbs.

@ci_lantro Thank you for that. My understanding is that there are screw-in types of LED lights which could be used in the recessed housing, assuming that the production of the other types of lighting ceases? Please correct me if I'm wrong

@RL Relocation LLC

Maybe my issue has more to do with the integrated look of the LED housing, vs the LED lights themselves. If you have any suggestions of NON integrated LED options (meaning we can replace the bulbs with new LED bulbs as needed - I know they aren't supposed to burn out but they do dim over time) I would be open to those options.

I did visit a lighting store first (for lighting and plumbing choices) and didn't find anything I loved for this specific need (unfortunately).

See my last comment.

I believe I've found what we needed that offers LED option to "keep up with the times" while still allowing for a screw-in option. Halo E27RICAT plus one of many trim options. Can anyone verify this will work?

Could someone explain the difference between the E27RICAT (Halo) vs. E26RICAT (Halo)? My understanding is that the US uses E26 bulbs, but all of the Halo housing options sold are E27 (they might be listed under E26, but when you look at their spec sheet it says E27). Can anyone clarify?

@wdccruise I am old school and would prefer old school lighting, but apparently if it's going to be phased out as a poster stated above, I might just have to let go of that. In that case, I can go with LED lighting but do not want it to be integrated. I want to screw in a light bulb - even if it must be an LED light, that I can compromise on. Thanks!

There is no E26RICAT on the Halo website. Are you replacing the housing (e.g., E27RICAT) as well as the trim?

@wdccruise yes we will need housing as there are currently no recessed lights in the space. Home Depot lists it as E26 but the halo website lists it as e27.

• Nicor 19001AR-LED-ID 4 in. Aluminum LED Recessed Remodel Housing, IC-Rated Airtight IDEAL

• Juno 17 Round Downlight Trim and Reflector (available in several trim and reflector finishes)
• or
• Juno 17SQ Square Downlight Trim and Reflector (available in several trim and reflector finishes)

• LED - PAR20 - 2700 Kelvin - Flood
• and/or
• LED - PAR20 - 3000 Kelvin - Flood

For hallways:

• Nicor DRD 2 in. Round 3000K Remodel IC-Rated Canless Recessed Integrated LED Downlight Kit
• or
• Nicor DRD 2 in. Round 2700K Remodel IC-Rated Canless Recessed Integrated LED Downlight Kit

• Lutron LED+ Dimmers

momof4-

I have screw-in LEDs, integrated LEDs, and retrofit LEDs. None of them flicker. The only issue I'm aware of with flickering is when people use them with old dimmers that aren't suitable to handle LEDs. I was a little reluctant to give up incandescent and halogen at first, too, but there are so many options that there is no reason not to make the switch now. I even got rid of my buggy whip, my slide projector, my 8-track tape player, and my Betamax at the same time! ;-)

I have replaced a lot of the lighting in my home with LED's. Similarly to Kudzu, I have had no problems with flickering. Not even high end LED's but an assortment of different styles & brands from the A store.

3-4 years ago, I pulled out the remodel cans in the basement ceiling and replaced with the thin disc type 'kill the can' recessed LED's on a dimmer switch. The old cans went into the trash. Was and continue to be delighted with the change/ result. Much neater looking because all of the shadow lines around the cans, baffles, bulbs were eliminated.

It would just be a IC rated regular old can light. nothing fancy about it, this is why I told you to look through the nora lighting catalog or Nicor, they have been leaders in recessed lighting for years. You would be looking for remodel cans. You can put what ever bulb you want in there. Everyone is on the LED train, I use the bulbs of course but, yes they do dim over time, all light sorces do, they will flicker if not married to the correct dimmer. You can get warmer tones, in the 2700 to 3000 range to avoid the "daylight" look. With a traditional can and trim you can actually lower the socket via a wing nut to get the bulb to be flush to the bottom similar to the look you have now.

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/4002/NORA-NHRIC17QAT.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0oagBhDHARIsAI-BbgfHiGTxh0XPs2uHOCn4R42yPOLsYbJM53mGrsU0iO1yCNyTNpjyvsQaArs0EALw_wcB

@RL Relocation LLC: That Nora housing is a 6" housing. She's starting fresh, not replacing, so should go 4" instead. The Nora Lighting NSR-404QAT (specs) 4" housing should work.

@ci_lantro: "I pulled out the remodel cans in the basement ceiling and replaced with the thin disc type 'kill the can' recessed LED's..."

The problem with those so-called wafer lights is that the bright lens is even with the drywall so it's visible from wherever you are standing or sitting. Recessed lights with a housing allow the bulb to be recessed so only the reflector can be seen unless you're standing right under the light. Even canless fixtures such as this Halo LT4 allow the lens to be recessed a bit.

They are easy to install though.

The problem with those so-called wafer lights is that the bright lens is even with the drywall so it's visible from wherever you are standing or sitting.

You see it as a problem. I don't consider it a problem. Just a difference. There are tons on fixtures, especially pendants, where you can see the light bulbs, the bulb as a feature, really, in many of them. In the case of pendants & sconces, potentially more of a 'problem' being 'in your face' than lighting sources up on a ceiling.

Thin disc LED's have a lot of pluses. Easy, inexpensive, can be positioned directly under a joist so layout is uncomplicated by framing & other stuff in the ceiling like ductwork. And look much better when the lights are off because they look more seamless and less like Swiss cheese.

And, I suspect a lot less leaky/ more air tight when used in a ceiling with attic space above as in the OP's case. There is a lot of extra labor and some extra material needed to make those so called 'airtight' cans truly airtight. They need either tophats or drywall boxes constructed over the cans in the attic space--all caulked/ foamed. Which can be a dirty and almost if not altogether impossible job if attic space is tight & trusses are in the way.

@ci_lantro: "And, I suspect a lot less leaky/ more air tight when used in a ceiling with attic space above as in the OP's case."

• Nora Lighting NSR-404QAT Specs: "Air Flow Restriction: Housing has factory installed gaskets to restrict airflow from room into ceiling plenum to <2CFM (cubic feet per minute) in accordance with ASTM-283 Air-Tight requirements."

• Air Sealing Recessed Light Fixtures Below Unconditioned Space: "...Seal around the can with caulk before installing trim or install a trim kit with a gasket."

• ASTM-E283: "Standard Test Method for Determining Rate of Air Leakage Through Exterior Windows, Skylights, Curtain Walls, and Doors Under Specified Pressure Differences Across the Specimen"

I’m much happier with the wafer integrated LEDs in my kitchen than I ever was with the baffled replaceable LEDs previously. At the price they’re phenomenal so if needed because of dimming over time they’re also affordable to change out.

more plastic for the landfill.

@Anne Duke: " I’m much happier with the wafer...than I ever was with the baffled..."

Baffled are ugly.

Juno 14W-WH

Juno 17W-WH

@Anne Duke Our electrician mentioned it might be difficult to find exact matches of the LED integrated lights in the future if they ever need replacing

Do what you want to do. I agree with tradtional cans, you can put what ever light you want in there.

The integrated LED disc lights are so inexpensive now that, worst case scenario, you just replace all of them. When you can buy a box of 12 lights for way less than $100, why put up with mismatched lights? And that is only if some lights fail and you didn't buy 3-4 extras for just in case. Kinda' like having extra light bulbs on hand back in the Stone Age.

The entire fixture costs about what just one LED bulb cost 5-6 years ago.

and the entire fixture or fixtures go to the landfill. Permanent fixtures with non-replaceable LED's should be banned for that very reason.

I would not toss working LED fixtures. They would get shuffled to another room or the garage or the workshop. Or donated.

Kind of a moot point because anyone so hung up on keeping things out of the landfill would not be remodeling in the first place. When a light bulb burns out, let's just buy candles.

@ci_lantro you can have an opinion but you don't have to be dismissive. if the stone age is 15yrs ago, I would assume you where born in the 90's.