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Tree root competition

3 years ago

Not 100% hosta subject but with all the concerns regarding tree root competition, I thought I'd share this.

Last year i put in a raised bed in a semi sunny location to raise some vegetables. The bed is 4'x10'x8' deep. I put a heavy layer of cardboard in the bottom to surpress weeds and filled it with a top soil and compost mix. This year while adding a couple inches of compost, i discovered all the tree roots and tried to get rid of them all. There is a med/lrg maple about 20' from it and a large white pine about 40' from it

The picture below is the roots taken from only half of the bed, a 4'x5' area. Unbelievable the amount of roots in one year, not to mention the 100's (literally) of the little white grubs.

No wonder I have problems with my hostas, they are located nearby with many more trees and closer to the beds.



Comments (12)

  • 3 years ago

    It might be easier to push an edging shovel into the ground around the outside of the bed each spring to get rid of most of the roots.

    old_dirt 6a thanked John D Zn6a PIT Pa
  • 3 years ago

    First..take your shovel to the grinder and sharpen it...


    This is completely a hosta topic...


    And this is why all hosta peeps hate maples...


    I too created a raised bed long ago... With the same result after a year or two...maples are aggressive...


    Pix tomorrow


    Ken

    old_dirt 6a thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 3 years ago

    Or stirfry them with some butter and garlic.....

    Pieter

    old_dirt 6a thanked Pieter zone 7/8 B.C.
  • 3 years ago

    tsugajunkie - I might very well do that.

    Pieter - I'd have to be pretty hungry.


  • 3 years ago

    My dog loves those grubs! Tasty little protein snack, she says…

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    grubs are probably Japanese beetles ....

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Japanese+beetle+grubs&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images

    i think i recall.. a few.. say 10. per sq foot is not really a problem.. but when you get hundreds.. that is usually the summer you will be complaining .... seems i know that from my old lawn warrior days....

    and here is the neighbor putting in a new septic field next to a silver maple .. it amazing how little soil the grass grows in.. and not surprising the lawn browns out in july and august... usually not enough useful water ....

    my dog had bad enough gas from eating rabbit poop.. i didnt give him grubs for dessert.. lol ... i put them on the black top.. and birds appears in minutes....

    ken







  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I can sympathize with you old dirt! I am very familiar with the maple roots you have in your wheelbarrow. My husband added two raised beds to our backyard in the last few years. For one smaller one (maybe 10 feet by 3.5 feet), I had left over spinout fabric. I put that underneath the bed. Then we made a much bigger raised bed with no landscape fabric underneath. The tree roots are invading there. I know that because some of my hosta were left in spinout bags when I added them to this raised bed. So when I dig between two spinout bags, I find roots! It didn't take long before the tree roots invaded.

    As for the smaller raised bed, I think the spinout fabric bought me some time. I know with the spinout bags, the tree roots usually pushed their way through the seams within a few years. The fabric I placed under the smaller raised bed has no seams. Maybe that will buy me a couple more years? We'll see.

    Ken, your picture is a good reminder of why some of our plants just don't grow very well under certain trees or near trees. Most people don't realize how far those tree roots extend beyond the tree canopy.

    Old dirt, you mentioned a maple and a pine tree. Do you have any other trees nearby?

    old_dirt 6a thanked newhostalady Z6 ON, Canada
  • 3 years ago

    newhostalady - I have a small forest of pines, black cherry and maples within 50' of most of my hostas. It has been a struggle for years but I don't have much choice.


    I bough a root slayer spade today and I thnk it will help at least as deep as it can go. There will still be the large roots deeper that send up feeders. Lots of work trying to cut around all the beds.

  • 3 years ago

    Ken, those pictures really help. I understand and accept why I have to grow my hostas in pots, and why I have to rotate and lift pots so often. Thanks, Old Dirt and Ken.

    old_dirt 6a thanked undertheoaksgardener7b
  • 3 years ago

    The root slayer sounds like a great tool, old dirt. Maybe I should get one too! I hope it will help control those nasty roots!

    I am wondering whether I should lift some of my plants in the raised bed and put down some landscape fabric. If I could get some strong fabric, I think it would be worth it.

  • 3 years ago

    I love my root slayer!! Get one, definitely!

    debra