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Looking for Evergreen Zone 9b Vine That Will Not Fill In

3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

I want to grow a vine at the corner of a home in zone 9b. I am being told by realtors not to use any vine that would fill in too heavily. So something like Star Jasmine is out. I want a more sparse growth habit like Mandevilla, but in my area, Mandevilla leaves fall off in Winter and return in Summer. I would like to have an interesting leaf that will be visually attractive even when there are no flowers. The leaves must tolerate zone 9b down to just above-freezing temperatures during the Winter. What are some vine options? Is there a good climbing rose that stays very small and well-controlled?

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  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    There are so few low growing vines here in the Bay Area....believe me I've looked. I ended up hedging flowering shrubs and using a trellis to train roses.

    Thunbergia is a vine but it's bushy. Clematis...does it grow here? You could trellis needlepoint ivy if it were planted in a big pot so the roots couldn't escape into the yard.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked tracefloyd
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Clematis is great, and I am going big with Clematis in other plantings in the garden. But it dies back in Winter. The Group 3 Clematis you have to cut to the ground. The Group 1 and Group 2 Clematis end up being a framework of ugly dead wood. So the corner of my house would go from plain to looking like a scary haunted house in the Winter.

    Thunbergia dies back in Winter.

    Ivy attaches to the stucco sidewall of the home and would result in permanent damage.

  • 3 years ago

    There are evergreen clematis..........

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 3 years ago

    @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) I know about Clematis cirrhosa, which is even a Winter bloomer, but I read it looks listless during the Summer. Maybe I could combine that with another vine that blooms in Summer.

  • 3 years ago

    Why not grow a beautiful rose like Duchesse de Brabant which can easily be grown as a climber up a house wall, although it's not a climber per se. I did that and, since it's not one of the massive tea roses, it was easily trainable and it should stay green in the winter and should bloom eight or nine months of the year. You can look on HelpMeFindRoses and see pictures and find out about it.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) I just read about Clematis x cartmanii which apparently has many varieties and is from New Zealand. That will go on my search list!

    I also have some Clematis cirrhosa freckles on order and look forward to getting experience with it. I managed to find a Clematis cirrhosa Landowne Gem which looks striking.

  • 3 years ago

    @Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland I explored using a rose in this location and was cautioned that I do not have enough space between the side of the home and the walkway. Thr price for not keeping it trimmed would be snagging everyone who walks by.

  • 3 years ago

    @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) The references I find online suggest that Clematis x cartmanii Joe grows to about 2 meters. I found a Youtube video that claims a huge Clematis covering a pergola is "Joe". Do you think he identified that incorrectly and it is likely some kind of Clematis Montana? Or maybe it is a different variety of Cartmanii?


  • 3 years ago

    LOL!! I wouldn't call that "huge" but also not sure that is 'Joe'. Joe is not a common offering and tends to be on the smaller side compared to similar cartmanii hybrids. can't see the foliage clearly enough to confirm a cartman type but possibly Avalanche ('Blavaal'). This grows 12-15' or so......about double the size of Joe.


    This is a huge clematis........


    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I'm out of my knowledge zone on a vine that meets your requirement being here in temperate Pittsburgh, PA, zone 6b, but are either Stephanotis or Hoya an option?

    I'm out of my knowledge zone on a vine that meets your requirement being here in temperate Pittsburgh, PA, zone 6b, but are either Stephanotis or Hoya an option?

    Moses

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) I guess on the way to "huge" a Montana would need to pass through "large". I will research Clematis x cartmanii Blavaal further.

  • 3 years ago

    @Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6 Stephanotis dies below 55F, and here in zone 9b we get down to just above freezing.

  • 3 years ago

    Westes, you don’t live very far from Annie’s Annuals and Perennials in Richmond. She carries a lovely assortment of vines that might work for you. If you go to her website and do a search, you might find one that meets your specs. Under type, choose vine. Under category, choose evergreen and then go to zone and click 9b and then hit the find button. I have long wished to grow some of those but I’m in the wrong zone! There are quite a few that work for you in the Bay Area.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked judijunebugarizonazn8
  • 3 years ago

    @judijunebugarizonazn8 I saw your "gardening inspiration" collection in your profile, and we have very similar taste for landscape. Most of those landscapes look like classic California gardens.

  • 3 years ago

    Yes, I do love the California garden style. No surprise, I suppose, since I lived there for twenty years. I still love California and tell my husband that I would love to move back some day. Only I really don’t enjoy moving and starting all over again, so maybe we won’t.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked judijunebugarizonazn8
  • 3 years ago

    Take a look at Pandorea jasminoides - the Bower vine. It fits your criteria.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked hugogurll
  • 3 years ago

    @hugogurll Bower Vine is looking pretty dense here:


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