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Soliciting input on island light replacement

2 years ago

Hi all!


I'd appreciate input on a replacement light for our kitchen island. What do you think of the Rejuvenation Williamette 32" aged champagne fluted chandelier, shown on the right?






The current light is lava red when on, silver when off (sigh, there was a time...).


Current pendant height is 8", width 32. New chandelier is 32", shade height 10".


My goal is to continue to warm up the room, style is transitional.


Suggestions as always appreciated. The island is square so I am set on a circular fixture.


Willamette 32" Aged Champagne Fluted Chandelier




Thanks!

OB2B



Comments (39)

  • 2 years ago

    Check the diameter of it, in comparison to your current lamp, to get an idea if it's going to be bigger, smaller or similar in size. I think if it's smaller, then it won't really work.

    I do like that it's made of glass, so easy to clean up.

    Style wise it works with the rest of your home.

    The polished nickel seems to stick out a bit and not go as nicely with the light as the brass. If you have something else in gold/brass in that area, I'd consider choosing the brass option as the metal. Or maybe just go with it anyway. It goes with the warmth of the floors and wood island.

  • 2 years ago

    Looks to me like the OP indicated they're both 32" wide; i.e. same size. I like it.

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  • 2 years ago

    To me it looks like the kind of light you would have over a table, not an island. It's the shade that throws it off for me. Maybe look for a rectangular open lantern type of fixture, or something round without the shade. Or have another junction box installed so you can have two pendants, which is what is more commonly used.

    oldbat2be thanked kandrewspa
  • 2 years ago
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    The "new" chandelier is very nice, but NOT grabbing me. I might change the shade a bit...and go more "classic".... you've got a BEAUTIFUL space to work with....and LOTS of options....Link


    Double drum link


    10 light 40" By Maxim Odean Golden-Silver patina Link 21869BCGS


    The 3rd one is my favorite...

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  • PRO
    2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Your kitchen pictures are too small, and what is the light over the breakfast able?

    What is the ceiling height at the island location, and what are the dimensions of the island?

    oldbat2be thanked JAN MOYER
  • 2 years ago

    I love the new light fixture but am not sure it plays well with the dining room fixture?

    How are you? I've missed seeing you here!

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  • 2 years ago

    I don't really like it, at least not better than your current fixture (which, granted, I'm not seeing in it's lava red state). Sorry.

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  • 2 years ago

    Pretty fixture, but no. Something without the shade

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  • 2 years ago

    I just have to ask, do you still have your fabulous backsplash?

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  • 2 years ago

    Hi! So nice to "see" you. I have a question - do you need a fixture there?

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  • 2 years ago

    I like that, although a simple plastic drum, that's closed, might be a better choice for the kitchen, where grease and smoke will build up on exposed surfaces.

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  • 2 years ago

    I know you said you're set on round, but I would ask you to reconsider. I think the round gets confusing with the other round fixture and contrasts too much with the linear opening in the ceiling above. I think something more linear would light the area properly and be more in scale with the island. In your mock-ups, the light fixture looks too large. Below from Minka Lavery.



  • 2 years ago

    I think the new fixture looks too bulky, and I would want something more minimalist, but I do think the older fixture is better than the new one.

  • 2 years ago

    Another Minka Lavery I like that's linear


  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Hi, I love the chandelier and the style of it goes pretty well with the rest of your space, but I'm not sure if a round chandelier is the way to go for your shape of the island, something rectangular might be better. I also think you will be able to find a better match for what you have in the dining room, when I put them side by side I don't exactly love them together.

  • 2 years ago

    So nice to see your name pop up! Sadly, I'm not a fan of this fixture either. I like your current light in its turned off state better with both your dining room light and your island.

  • 2 years ago

    kitchen, where grease and smoke will build up on exposed surfaces.


    I disagree with this. I have been told this when designing two kitchens, and I can say that, 12 years in on one K and 10 on the other, this is not true at all. I think this *used* to be true, but is no longer necessarily the case. When I think about it, there are a few reasons


    1. We don't fry much and we don't deep fry anything, unlike my Mom. There is no grease behind our range, and only a modest amount in the range hood, which is easily cleaned.

    2. We have much more powerful range hoods.

    3. Our Ks overall are so much larger than the one I grew up with. Upper cabinets closely flanked the stove top. This is not the case in either of my Ks today.


    I (and others) literally have artwork on the wall above part of my range (in my case, a prep area that is integrates into the range)



  • PRO
    2 years ago

    I don't think I'd want any fixture with a fabric shade in the kitchen.






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  • 2 years ago

    Hi All - Thanks VERY much for the feedback and taking the time to reply. My apologies for the delay in responding.... things have been a little crazy and I am just now coming up for air:)


    Goals:

    1) Provide task lighting for those seated at the island

    2) Warm up the room


    Here's a mockup of the current lighting and seating.





    The current fixture provides enough light for all areas of the island. Above the sink, which is my prep area, there is a skylight dormer with overhead (stainless) pendants, which provides extra light for the sink/prep area when needed.


    The island dimensions are 7' long x6' wide.


    I am struggling with lighting shapes other than large round, due to the shape and where we sit:

    1. Rectangular light that is large enough might work, but from the front door looking into the kitchen, you'll only see the narrowest part.
    2. Two lights centered might not provide sufficient lighting for the top seating barstools.


    Here's a mockup with different lighting options. I think option C would be the most functional and attractive. DH is super handy, so could install another junction box.






    KSWL - I have canned lighting (CREE LED from 10 years ago) throughout the kitchen and try not to use them because I feel like we are in a fishbowl / operating room when they're on. They are on a dimmer and I should probably change out the bulbs from the original but that's another thread. Can you link to an example of what you have in mind? I am hesitant to add more. And unfortunately the 8' ceiling is, what it is.


    zealart - I like the warmth of brass but am also thinking about coordinating fixtures (at least a little). I think brass would go well with the window treatment, and with the floors as you pointed out.


    kandrewspa - Like the idea of multiple pendants.


    3katz4me: Hi hi and thanks!


    nicole__ - Thank you for the suggestions. I particularly liked the double drum. The Maxim ten light chandelier is lovely but perhaps too much bling?


    jan moyer - I have to figure out how to post larger pictures. The light over the breakfast table is Varaluz Fascination. Ceiling height at island is 8'. Island ix 7' long by 6' wide.


    cpartist - Good point, thanks. All well, hope you are still enjoying your beautiful home! I'll be back around more often, time to renovate a bathroom and round 5 for the mudroom :)


    Jenny - The sonneman multiple pendant is particularly pretty but I don't have the imagination to picture it in my space. Multiple pendants though ... may work.


    cawaps/hu-675849, - I have a tendency to overengineer things, appreciate the frankness.


    hatethecold_gw: You've very kind to remember! Yes, I do. I should have included it because it is a key player.


    mtnrdredux: Hi hi! Yes, fixture is definitely needed, for reading and prep.


    acm - I have a terrific hood, have not noticed any grease/smoke buildup since install (10+ years).


    Annie Deighnbaugh: Thank you for the linear suggestion and links.


    Ariana Designs - Point taken about a better match, thanks.


    barncatz: Hi there! Agreed, thanks.


    BeverlyFLADeziner: Thank you for the suggestions. I think those are too modern for me.


    I'll post my latest ideas next and more pictures... don't want to lose this post!

  • 2 years ago

    As you are looking at your choices, be sure to notice how much light each will be providing. Some are just a mood enhancing glow, some provide three 60 watt bulb type light. With three pendants you could have another surgical suite on your hands very quickly.

  • 2 years ago

    From front door:





    Kitchen looking towards front door/hall:





    It's hard to photograph the backsplash; close up.






    What do you think about a grouping of three of these pendants from Jim-Lawrence? Foster Pendant 12"W x 10"H





    Richardson Pendant in Nickel (12"W x 7"H)








    Or possibly a mixture of pendants? Two shorter above the seating areas and a taller one centered above the island?






    Also high on my list are these from Rejuvenation.


    I love the warmth of the alabaster. There is an 11" x 5.5" and also a 16" x 7" shade.


    Dekum 11"W x 5.5H Alabaster







    I have long coveted the Hood Classic Pendant light but am concerned about the 8' ceiling height and the Opal Shade being too cold (white) when turned off. When on, I think it would be perfect.






    I also thought about the24" tiered drum pendant from Rejuvenation (finishes aged brass and ORB)








  • 2 years ago

    Noted AB. I haven't mentioned that the lights are halogen, so I cringe a little when left on. I just googled that, though, and it may be possible to convert the bulbs to LED.


    Issue @2 is the lava red color. I *guess* I could get them sprayed/repainted...




  • 2 years ago

    Ok,I was agreeing that what you have is better than the proposals, but now that I do see the red, maybe not

    I prefer Annie's Minka Lavery one. that is sort of linear but with a bit of a curve to it.

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  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Any bulb can be replaced with LED and I like the old light much better than the one you plan . Sometimes change is not better .

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  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Just replace the shades on the existing fixture if you are bored with it. But the red shades tie in nicely to the cherry island. Warm tones are trending upward again. There is nothing that needs ”fixing” here.

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  • 2 years ago

    (No suggestions, just happy to see you here. I was actually thinking of you the other day, and how much I liked your username lol)

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  • 2 years ago
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    The triple drum shade is really nice. A less is more approach. Note: The Richarson/Chamberlain/Foster pendant is very retro. A big no.

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  • 2 years ago

    The scale may not be right on the Bryant, which is 41".















    I think no to both, correct?


    The current fixture was from LBL lighting. The bulb is not red, rather the pendants are translucent and turn red when on. I could buy 'new' (same selection as from 10 years ago) pendants but am not sure I'll be happy with them. Similarly, I'm not sure about getting the existing ones refinished. LBL is now part of Visual Comfort; I'll reach out to them to inquire anyway.


    Will also photoshop 2 pendants and a linear pendant next.

  • 2 years ago

    You fixture looks so different when lighted! I re-read your post and now see that you said it was red, but it was still a surprise. Not sure what kind of bulbs you have, but I have halogen track lighting in my kitchen with this kind of bulb. I switched to LED bulbs and have been so happy. Just as bright, without the excess heat AND they last forever. The halogen burned out fairly quickly by comparison. I think I would try painting the shades and see how you like it. The fixture is nicely sized for your space.



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  • 2 years ago
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    I like the Rejuvenation Dekum, ob2b, if the scale works. I like how it "echoes" the rounded top of your dining room light.

    I wouldn't try painting your current fixture - it's not that special. Your new one is out there.

    I like the triple drum color and size better than the current fixture.

    I just saw the Dekum comes in a metal with a gold lining. Would you ever consider that? This color might be yummy with your backsplash.




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  • 2 years ago

    The Bryant large ring chandelier...is gorgeous! If you'd go with that....? It's a style that won't go out of style. Do you like it?

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  • 2 years ago

    I think the round shape looks great , but if you go with one big shade I would be concerned the light would only light directly below the fixture. If you can't make the current one work, I would look for the same type with several open lights to provide lighting for the whole bar area.

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  • 2 years ago
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    I just read an article about kitchen lighting and am changing my vote. I think either recessed ceiling lights, as Kswl mentioned, to keep the focus ON that backsplash, or your idea of two smaller down lights, incorporating metal? So, like, rod lights?



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  • PRO
    2 years ago

    With an almost square island, you for sure need something round to be able to light it all well. If you have fallen out of love with the current fixture, analyze the WHY here. That will help to choose something new. If it's the red of the shades when lit, then there are literally thousands of replacement shade options possible. Even $12 ones from Home Depot. That's the first experiment I'd try. You risk little to change the shades to something plain and frosted. I actually like the red though. Other than the potential for the light itself to be skewed in color!

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  • 2 years ago

    Nicole - the Bryant is beautiful but I don't think it's right for the space.


    barncatz - Beautiful picture, thank you! I tracked down the image source and got distracted ogling the Allied Maker and Lindsay Adelman lighting collections referenced. The arc well pendant is gorgeous


    With respect to recessed ceiling lighting, I'm just not sure. I really dislike the recessed ceiling lighting in the room already. Perhaps directional recessed spot lights over the seating/work areas might work. Thanks for the bulb link - you got me moving. Last weekend, DH taped up the inside of a couple of the pendants with painters' tape and we installed new LED bulbs. G4 2 pin 20W replacement 12V 220 lumens. These were not bright enough and on my list this weekend is a search for brighter ones. In the meantime....


    I do like the gold lining. Here is the Piatto 16" medium pendant in white with the gold lining. (And yes, it's time for me to recover / redo the barstools).


    Shown here side by side from front to back



    And here side by side, left to right.




    With the other light:



    With Rejuvenation's 16" opal ogee shades:






  • 2 years ago

    I love the white with gold lining, but I would get one for the same line for your bfast room. Sorry about project creep!

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  • 2 years ago
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    The Piatto! NIce! Love them as two pendants. I think you've found a winner! Yes...the Bryant is not modern....at all. Neither is the Rejuvination, very school house. I agree. VERY traditional, almost colonial. I'll have to admit the one you currently have with the red shades just pulls in a weird vibe. JMO

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