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Full brick detail with veneer

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

We had a plan presented to us by the architect and a render that we fell in love with. We are in the framing stage and now we are being told that we have a bunch of issues with construction of the front elevation. We have told them we would be using veneer brick from the start in order to save some money, but it looks like they didn't take this into consideration on the design.

  1. The soldier row can be done with veneer but would have to be flush. We are thinking we would still do it to keep the look.
  2. The wing detail at the top edges will be an issue - we need to find a full bed brick in order to do it, and not sure if there is one (brick spec'd is Eldorado Stone Chalk White veneer)
  3. The three recessed accents in the top also require full bed brick normally. Is there a way to build a pocket and do it with brick veneer? Similar to how you would tile a shower niche


Does anyone have any suggestions for these?

Thanks!






Comments (11)

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    What did the architect have in mind?

  • 2 years ago

    They said to delete the inset feature. We are still working with our builder on the full depth brick for the side wings, so they haven’t had to comment on that yet.

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    If the architect designed it, they should know how to build it.

    Is it a draftsman you are calling an "architect" or are they in fact licensed by your state?

  • 2 years ago

    It was designed by an architect and it could all be built with full bed brick. We had told them at the start we would use veneer, they put that it was veneer on the drawing but now we find out it can’t be done with veneer. So there was some miscommunication which has turned into a bigger issue

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Part of the problem is the term "veneer". Veneer brick can be 3.5" +/- thick and require a foundation to support it and metal ties to attach it to a wood or masonry structural wall; or veneer brick can be 0.5" +/- thick and adhered to a structural wall like ceramic tile.

    The brick in the images is most likely of the prior veneer, and you are building with the latter veneer.

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Ask for a rendering showing all stucco.

  • 2 years ago

    Your contractor could build a sheathed box at the "wings" with steps not more than the thickness of each brick. Then apply the brick the same as the rest of the wall.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I agree with Mark. "veneer brick" is not a clear specification. If it was in writing please post it.

    In today's residential specifications brick walls are either "brick veneer cavity walls" (a full wythe of brick supported by a foundation or relieving angle tied back to a masonry or wood framed structural walls) or "applied thin brick" (thin brick applied in thinset mortar to a masonry or wood framed structural wall.

    Manufacturers and suppliers will sometimes misuse these terms leading to consumer confusion so it's best to let your designer/architect write the specifications. And a homeowenr should avoid directing a contractor in a conversation. Always put it in writing and ask for a written confirmation.

  • 2 years ago

    Thanks Mark. The architect and designer are under a single contract and worked together to pick the veneer brick. The brick they picked is 0.875” thick - so I assume the designer and architect were not communicating.

    See attached pic

  • 2 years ago

    Pic

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Brick veneer, is almost universally used as a shortcut description to a brick veneer cavity wall construction detail, with a poured brick ledge, and brick ties binding the single brick stack to the rainscreened sheathed wall behind. That is the detail that would work with your desired decorative accents.


    The cheaper and less capable choice of material requires a redesign, minus most of the decorative details. At which point, yes, you might as well do stucco.