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Trim, wall paint conundrum

2 years ago

I am excited to be working with a wonderful designer to basically re-do (or complete actually, as I never really ”did” these rooms properly, lol) the master, powder room, and study in our 12 year old home. In addition to draperies, new area rugs, and furniture, she is suggesting new paint for the study (and paper for powder room.)


I really love her vision. I chose her bc she works for a nationally know designer that I adore, and they have the ”look” I want. I am struggling with one aspect that I hope y’all can help me with, either by showing me your own examples or just talking me off the ledge, lol.


Currently, the paint in the study is SW Grecian Ivory. Once we moved in, I quickly realized I disliked the color and have been systematically removing it wherever I had it, usually changing to SW Lattice, which I love (super pale, barely there grey with suble blue undertones.) She suggested BM Revere Pewter for the study, which is darker and looks amazing with the furnishings and drapery fabric. And (I knew this would happen) she said to paint the trim the same color as the walls (I forgot to ask about ceiling, but sure she will say the same.) Intellectually, and design-wise, I know this is the look. We have really chunky, really WHITE trim. Super thick crown, baseboards, casings…I specifically worked with the trim carpenter to get this look. Currently, the walls are so pale in our rooms that there isn’t a huge contrast between the trim and walls, and I am happy with that. But RP is darker, and I know in my head that the white trim is too stark for this look…but I am struggling! I really, really hate when trim, particularily crown, is darker than the wall color…I think it looks like an ”outine” at the top of the room, lol. Our trim is painted with oil-based semi-gloss and I worry the difference in formulation and sheen will read ”darker” than the walls. Am I making sense? Do you think using RP but 1/2 lightened would work? It would be a bit lighter than the walls but not WHITE, lol. Any thoughts? pics of your rooms with walls painted same as trim? I know I need to chat with her, but wanted to get y’all’s thoughts. Sorry so long!

Comments (20)

  • 2 years ago

    I think that is a good possibility Nini! Could you maybe test it somewhere in the room? I am not usually a fan of wall and trim the same color. I like to see at least a bit of difference (just my personal taste), so I like your idea. I also like a difference in the sheen.

    I am jealous that you are wallpapering. haha! My husband really, really dislikes wallpaper and we haven't had any up in years. BUT, I would love to paper the (small) entry way and maybe the dining room (one wall is mostly windows and one wall opens into the kitchen, so it wouldn't be a ton of paper), so wish me luck in persuading him! I also want to paint all our interior doors.

    What is it about this time of year that brings on changes???!! I will have to look up SW Lattice! I would love to see your drapery fabric too.

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  • 2 years ago

    I think husbands have a thing about wallpaper…mine dislikes it as well! I am happy he agreed to the powder room! I will definitely share all of the changes…this is a big deal for me as I am very slow and usually do things piecemeal!

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    I understand your hesitation Nini, but the darker painted trim /walls/cabinetry look of a nice study is just luscious and can’t be duplicated with white or lighter trim. If the trim is sanded properly and/or primed with the right product your oil based paint will have no effect on the look of the new color. I can’t wait to see your choices!

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  • 2 years ago

    I hope Allison sees this, as her last house had rooms with the wallcolor and trim the same; it looked absolutely gorgeous.

    I follow Farrow & Ball, and other British paint accounts, on IG … many of the rooms have this look.

    All that said, it of course boils down to personal preference and the look and feel that appeals most to you and what fits your style best.

    I’m so excited for you! Please keep us updated. :)

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  • 2 years ago
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    The trim will automatically appear "just enough" different in color than the walls if you use a different sheen of PR on the trim (eggshell or satin) than on the walls (flat). I agree with your decorator.

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  • 2 years ago

    Ohhhh…off to search Farrow & Ball ig account!!😊

  • 2 years ago

    Have the designer paint some boards with full strength Revere Pewter and then trim it out with 1/2 or even 3/4 strength and see what you think. I love Revere Pewter. We had it as the main colour for the walls in our old house and it will be in our new one as well. I don't know if it's because of where we live (surrounded by trees) or the light that we get but the green undertones really shine.

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  • 2 years ago
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    Revere Pewter is a pretty color. I wanted to use it in my house, but the green undertones didn't work i my house. I have what I would call big and chunky trim in the living areas and I could not see painting it the same as the wall color. I think the all one color looks best with simple trim. I too would want some contrast. You make changes you will live with. The decorator makes changes for a living. You don't have to follow a trend to have something wonderful for you. I would look at a different shade or white or a lighter mix of the RP and test it before committing. Painting or repainting a lot of heavy trimwork is no small task,

    nini804 thanked lascatx
  • 2 years ago
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    For some examples -- the one color approach gives a soft backdrop and lessens things like closet doors, Here's one example. And another .These look nice. It's a look for making the trim fade away and providing texture only, but when you have a lot of trim, like this one I'm not a fan. This one is somewhere in the middle and without context I'm on the fence with this one. You know your trim, but I'm picturing it more like that dark blue one, and I can't help but feel that even in a lighter paint color I would not like the effect. The effort you took to make your trim a statement is contrary to making it fade away. I think it deserves some definition. Sheen is some -- is it enough? Test it,

    Editing to add another middle of the road photo. Here it looks to me like they painted over the trim rather than removing it. The single tone still looks best to me with simple trim or hiding things like the closet doors. With a lot of trim detail, I can't help but feel it looks like a shortcut. I do feel that a lighter color will be a better look than stronger color on heavier trim, but actual context always matters. Test it and look at it in your home and your room. I hope you will show us how it turns out.

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  • 2 years ago

    I definitely recommend painting a large area on your wall with RP, and then watch it for a day or two. I wanted to love RP at one time, but it took on a really odd undertone (not green, but more purpley) in my room.

    With regard to trim color, I agree that it's personal preference. I generally like trim and wall in the same color only when the color is a deep, rich one, and when there is decorative trim/paneling on the walls themselves.

    But you know the look you want, and this is all just a matter of what makes you happy! Have fun--hope you share the results.

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  • 2 years ago

    Thank you all so much! @lascatx, that was so helpful! I am really going to need to sample everything bc it is indeed a bear to paint the trim and I do not want to have to re-do it! Such a struggle for me…my go-to look is light and airy, but that just doesn’t make sense for this small (12’ x 13’) study. It’s crying out for cozy!🤣

  • 2 years ago

    I love Revere Pewter and we used in in several places. I think the dimensionality of the trim will still show it off; in essence it will appear as a slightly different color, even if it is the same.


    How much light does the room get?

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  • 2 years ago

    Start with feathers' rec to paint RP on your wall or at least a full poster board and test the color in different light. I forgot about the purple. Revere Pewter wasn't cosy in my house. It wasn't pretty either, so.... I consider Revere Pewter one of the start of the grey tones, and trends are leaning away from grey. I was a little surprised to hear you mention that rec, but it is also a classic. My question for you would be do you find grey cozy? Not everyone does. I like grey, but I find it calming more than cozy, if that makes sense. I don't know what you are working with in the room, and I am not trying to second guess your decorator, but if you are craving cozy, make sure you get something you feel is cozy. Nail down your wall color, then test the trim. This is the part of painting that should take the longest -- picking paint and testing it, then prep, then actual painting.

    nini804 thanked lascatx
  • 2 years ago

    @MtnRdRedux It has 2 windows and gets tons of afternoon sun (west-facing.)

    @lascatx The word cozy popped in my mind bc of the size of the room, but it has 10’ ceilings and two west-facing windows so that’s probably not the correct word. I actually do like grey…as said above most of my house is SW Lattice which is a very pale grey. We have medium brown white oak flooring everywhere which provides warmth as well as tons of natural light so nothing looks blah and grey. The word I used for the study with the designer was sophisticated. I guess just bc the ROOM wants to be cozy, that doesn’t mean ”I“ want cozy.🤣

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    If you like grey and it feels calm, peaceful, restful or "cozy" to you, that's what matters. We've all heard so many people complaining that grey is boring, dull, drab or cold, so I asked. Our study is oak panelling, so we don't choose a paint color there unless we change that. A little deeper than your main wall color sounds like a good choice.

    One thought about doing a lighter version of RP on the trim -- not all color formulas divide equally. Be prepared for a little tweaking -- and I hope you or the decorator have a paint person who will work with that challenge. I am such a paint nerd. I go and ask to look at the color formulas and sit there figure out whether it will divide in half or a third, figure out what to tweak, etc. The sample paints can be different too, so you have to look at the true paint to be sure. One time I mixed the wall color with white, painted it on something and took that in to have them color match. You can get there -- just don't be surprised if you have to tweak to get there. It's worth it!

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  • 2 years ago

    Actually all my trim is painted whatever the wall color is, and the grey room it's a dead match between flat wall color, oil based trim color and a lacquered door (so three formulations). The dark blue room was problematic between the lacquered portion and the oil base portion (it's still not right but the only place where there is a longish boundary between the two is hidden behind furniture.

    The green room is presenting a problem. But the oil based satin on the trim doesn't look darker than the walls, sometimes it looks lighter and it looks a little colder. and I think it's how it picks up the light and the adjacent floor, which is black. We still haven't gotten the lacquer for the doors right.

    But I am not sure that Revere Pewter is dark enough or complex enough to present as much of a problem as the green and blue problem I am having, and certainly there should not be a shift dramatic enough to create an outline effect. (In my situation greens or blues are are always very tricky colors and both the shades of these two colors I am using are the very darkest on the swatch, which presents it's own difficulties. (Yes, I have a very dark green room with shuttered windows and a black floor and a black chandelier. The cat disappears in it and its not even finished yet. A room never-to-be-seen in a decorating thread, for reasons of my own self-preservation)

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  • 2 years ago

    Pal, do you have big, chunky trim? I haven't seem photos where that kind of trim is panted the same color as the walls that I have liked, but I'm open to having my mind changed. If you do I'd love to see it because I've seen you do wonderful things and I'm sure it's better than the photos I've seen online. I'd even like to see the green room with black floor, but I understand why you might not post.

    As for the color formulation issues, I was talking more about getting a percentage value that doesn't divide evenly when they try to mix it at 50%, 30% or whatever. I did have a sample pot of something that turned out a different color than the gallon I bought. It might have been the base or the small quantity -- couple of variables at work there.

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  • 2 years ago

    Oh wow, @palimpsest …I would love to see those rooms! They sound lovely. I appreciate hearing about your real life experience with the paint formulations.

  • 2 years ago

    Oh wow…look at all that lacquer! I think I agree on the first, althought maybe it would lose a bit of that ”dipped in nail polish” look when the furniture is added. I was interested to see the white ceilings in two of the rooms. I love the last room the best!