Please provide a full floor plan. Do you plan to have a table next to the kitchen? How wide is that space? Do you have an additional dining room or will this space be used for guest dinners also?

So here is the full plan as it was first drawn up, we have since bumped the windows in closer to the stove as in my first post but the draftsman did not get that all added to this plan yet, and it was initially designed with a bigger pantry as seen but i really wasn't excited about my fridge being so far from my stove as I do cook a lot so we moved that but then i almost have to sacrifice the pantry... We will have a dining table somewhere in the open space beyond the island or steps.

We need a to scale drawing posted her ein jpeg in a comment htta island scream dated but we need a lot more info A pantry needs to be big enough to store all the things yoou need to store there I love true pullout pantries they hold a ton in a small space Post the floor plan here you will get a ton of better plans than what you show .

I would not do that style island. That's the sort of thing people are taking out.

Also, I superimposed the size of my kitchen over this. Not because I wouldn't like to have a bigger kitchen, but to illustrate the weird amount of space this sort of plan has in the middle. Too big for convenience but too small to do anything useful with.

No batwing island or angled cabinets (almost) ever. As noted above this looks like a plan from thirty years ago. Wasted space and not good aesthetics.

^ agree, also wondering about the diagonal cabinet - that is something I would skip and would get that corner to a classic 90 degrees

Pantry is paltry.Fridge is too far from sink. Island is an outdated eyesore.

Once you deviate from the ice water stone fire protocol you are commiting to a needlessly

tedious routine of retracing steps and prolonging prep activites instead of enjoying an efficient pleasant cooking experience.

An open plan can work well, but not sure you have thought yours through.

What are your plans for the RED area.

The blue arrow are the sight lines when someone comes to your front door ... they will be able to see nearly every part of your main floor. Do you really want that? I would want to add some separation to the spaces with some wide cased openings. A mostly open plan, but with some walls to block some of the views between rooms. If you have a TV on this level, you will hear it everywhere.

It’s pretty terrible, for sure. But then the whole addition is pretty poorly designed as well. No point in wasting several hundred thousand on any of that.

Already better thannwhat you’ve got, but I’m worried that whoever drew up your plans is missing other important things. How does the light move around the space? Where are the views?

I'll pile on with another this looks overall like a poor plan, like so many do when adding new space.

Why not start a new thread showing the existing house -- in plan, and images around the exterior.

You seem to have abandoned the space in red that's almost the size of the addition, added a 2nd front door that now makes the living room a hallway to the back of the house, and added a laundry because what else would you put in the corner of the great room.

Here are exmples of corner kitchens. I am not partial to the island on the diagonal, but here you can see some options.

Sorry but the whole thing is a mess. Lots of wasted space, weird laundry room location and tiny pantry. You would think with all that space the draftsman could have come up with a plan with better use of the space.

What does the distance of fridge from stove have to do with things? Most of the time you are taking things out of the fridge to prep near the sink.

If you cook a lot you will regret that small pantry.

And no the bat wing island is not a good idea.

Go back to the drawing board.

"is this "bat wing" island a bad idea?"

They do provide some inefficiencies in that there will most likely be void spaces under the countertop. It is dependent upon how the kitchen will be used, like how many cooks will be in the kitchen a one time?

"And am i going to wish for a bigger pantry than the small portion behind the fridge?"

It depends upon your needs for a pantry.

"And i can't decide the cupboards along the stairs should be coffee hutch or a narrow pantry."

Both

Pantry next to Bathroom - Big no! just my view :)

Start over. The original cannot be so bad that spending mega bucks to jump from the frying pan to the fire would ever be appropriate.

The batwing as you call it is a rather dated element.

A layout cannot be dated. The right questions are, Does this design fit the house? And is this design efficient?

Having said that, this design gives you a lot of empty space in the middle, which means extra steps and drips on the floor. It's inefficient.

I always love a cabinet aside from the main work area for coffee, a cookie jar, a bowl of fruit ... but your cabinet may be larger than is necessary. Maybe make this area the pantry and the smaller pantry into the coffee area.

You will wish for a bigger pantry than what you are showing.

Definitely go for a bigger pantry. A pantry is the least expensive /most efficient storage you can have in any kitchen.

Not because I wouldn't like to have a bigger kitchen

Noooo, big is never the goal. People think, "I love cooking, and the kitchen is the heart of the home, so I need a BIG kitchen!" No. An efficient, well-laid out kitchen beats a big kitchen every single time.

How does the light move around the space? Where are the views?
Agree. This kitchen could have windows on two sides, but I see none.

I wouldn't care so much about views in a kitchen, even if they exist.

We see a lot of posts on here about getting rid of this exact shape, so I would caution you against it, for all the reasons described below.

This kitchen could have windows on two sides, but I see none.

There is a window above the sink and two windows flanking the range based on the plan.

I think eam44's kitchen is much better. But I also think PPF makes a very valid point about the very large and seemingly rendered useless area in the middle of the house. It won't have windows and will act as a really large hallway. What do you plan on doing with that space? Same with the new front door. I have a feeling your old layout functions better than this new one. Definitely put some furniture in there and think about traffic patterns/natural light before you spend this much money.

This is how things are now. We have 2 very long and narrow sides to our house, this is the kitchen, the other is the living room. Don't like it at all. The door you see is the door everyone enters, and doing so creates a bad problem of the floor directly inside the door gets jumbled with footwear, all over. The small area at the top of the steps (on the prints) is now the laundry room. I thank you all very much for your answers, comments, suggestions, etc. It got my mind rolling with some better ideas (I think) and we are considering taking this to a different designer than we first had, so we can get something more likeable.

Also, this will give you a better idea of what we intend to do with our "space" I gave up trying to get the "designer" to do it. We are not opposed to walls separating the kitchen, sitting/family room, and the great room, we just want to be able to stretch the table to accommodate around 20 people when we want.

I'll say what others have said, "I wish I would have known about Houzz sooner!"

This is how things are now.

We need to see the as built plan -- the plan as it exists today.

Where are the bedrooms and garage?

What does the exterior look like?

consider a one wall kitchen with mammoth island and a walk in pantry somewhere in the kitchen; so on trend now and very easy to work in. Look at some model homes one afternoon and see what inspires you....kitchens can be any size.

I can see where your current kitchen is a problem - both in terms of inefficiencies, and being a main thoroughfare in the house.

It sounds like your goals include a mudroom (to corral the shoes); a kitchen that does not serve as the main family entrance; enough dining space for large family dinners; more (or more efficient) kitchen storage. Any goals I'm missing?

With a new laundry location, I'm curious where the original laundry is, and how the change solves whatever problems you have with it.

As others have requested, a layout of the entire existing house would go a long way to helping us see what the problems are, and help you find solutions.

What I don't like about the batwing is how much empty space is created in the kitchen. It's going to feel like a big hole in the middle.

So, Im putting a batwing island at a bar height in my kitchen - people can sit at it easier and talk to each other, in a great room the bar height hides what's near the sink area and Im positioned dead center of looking into great room and info breakfast eating area.

BTW my house will be completed in 2026

Dont let others talk you out of something YOU would like - you are not building the house for someone else; its for you!.

HU-0228, most people are removing batwing islands and bar height counters, which would suggest that the majority do not find them pretty and/or ergonomic, but no one is stopping you from putting them in your remodel or new house.

Ask a question here and you will get all different opinions ... sometimes even a consensus, which might be worth taking note of!

Agree with chispa - and since this thread is over a year old, I doubt the original poster will see it.