I grew several New Dawn roses and hated them all. Your description is spot on with the addition of New Dawn being a sport of Dr Van Fleet. This means ND reverts a lot to Van Fleet, and becomes a once bloomer like what it sported from. All my NDs had reverted and were once bloomers, but had the same thuggish behavior, puny blooms, and wretched thorns as ND. I got rid of all my ND over the years and have never regretted it once. My last ND was replaced with Colette, a fabulous rose. My son in law used his chainsaw on that New Dawn. Then I finished the digging out job. ND had broken my expensive arbor, too. But wondeful SIL fixed that and no problems with Colette. Why ND has so many favorite votes on HMF is beyond me. Diane

Thank you! I kept looking at all the upvotes in various places and thought I must be doing something wrong!

I have both New Dawn and Awakening and here in my PNW Seattle location the flowers are beautiful and it reblooms well enough so far for me but the growth habit is a monster and requires a lot of blood sacrifice to keep it in bounds and looking nice. I got it to cover a falling down fence but it’s way too vigourous for my small urban lot and now that we are just going to replace the fence I’m going to need to find it a new home, probably at the back corner of a friends rural lot where they can let it do what it wants. I honestly think the right use for it is in place of locations where barbed wire is needed 😂

Ha! exactly!

I'm with sheila! I think this is an example Of using the right rose in the right place. I don't have to tie this rose up I just toss it over the back of the balusters And the thorns take care of the rest! Please click to enlarge And clarify the picturesClarified.

Unless you have lots of room, and I mean lots, where the thug, New Dawn, can harm no one, it's the rose for you. Otherwise, stear clear of it no matter what, period. New Dawn cannot be kept smaller than its full potential, no matter how hard you try.

Under the heading of its praises, or should I change that to praise, singular, it has one asset, it blooms profusely with no care. Give it a little care, minimally, by tossing it a fertilizer boost after its spring flush, not much fertilizer, just a little, and a little watering if needed, it will show you some remarkable flowering until and through fall, until Thanksgiving or so.

I find the small bloom rather pretty, well formed, and profusely produced.

Just remember, it cannot be tamed.

Moses

I think you meant it's not the rose for you! Hello! LOL!

I have three ND. Two growing up trees, one on a fence. Absolutely gorgeous in Spring, with a smattering of bloom off and on through Autumn. This is a rose best left to its own devices, though I do prune out deadwood every two years (it takes that long for my blood count to recuperate). I do no other pruning. My nephew re-named it New Da*n, because the one year he helped me prune them, there was a new "da*n!" every time he got stuck, lol. Seriously, it's a wonderful rose, but not for a small area. It can NOT be corralled into a small spot. Let it ramble and rove, and you'll be rewarded. If you don't have the room, there are smaller pink climbers.

I would love to see your new dawn growing up the trees. I have ceske praci cest Doing that I would love to have a friend.

Thank you to everyone.....I got the idea! Vaporvac---astonishing pictures1 . thanks again!

Vapor your balustrade covered in roses is a DREAM. What gorgeous pictures. I agree New Dawn needs lots of space.

Also like Diane mentioned there are other roses out there that would work better in many instances. I just bought a baby Collette after admiring Dianes for many years and boy I am impressed. It has grown a lot in a few months in its pots and it is 100% clean of any disease which is an amazing feat here. It has also bloomed several perfect blooms already. Try Collette and you won’t be disappointed.

Sheila your giant monster rose is gorgeous.

Thanks for that info On new dawn Excuse me cannot erase. Thanks for that info on colette In a high black spot area. I just always assumed it would be a disaster. Always looking for new climbers to replace those that don't quite make it. Although I have to say in my friend's garden Seen in the 1st picture, we have cleaned things upComa treated for the midge Fertilizely and dead headed and the change is astounding. He is so happy with his garden now. But some roses just do not perform even with the best care.

Vaporvac, those pics are a great explanation of New Dawn! Prettiest ever..hope you put them on hmf.

Have to agree Colette seems to be a healthy thing. It has it all...vigor, health, fragrance, beautiful.

AWAKENING and NEW DAWN are beasts. They grow well on their own roots, are winter hardy to USDA Zone 5 (very few climbing roses can take that kind of cold), have disease resistant foliage, and put out lovely light pink blossoms that possess a nice (not great) fragrance. Stable clones don't revert back to Van Fleet and the initial spring flush is very impressive. The canes are also flexible enough to train on large supports like arbors. Those are the reasons why so many people are crazy about them.

B-U-T, I share your opinion. I shovel pruned AWAKENING years ago because come August the monster was naked of foliage in black spot hell, and repeat bloom was miserly. And the thorns! I swear the thing looked like a great white shark smiling at me with those huge and numerous bone white hideous thorns.

Thank you! I'm attacking mine as we speak!