Wow! I thought I found all the houses with all the incredibly poorly designed appliances, but that's a new one to me. I did have Kitchenaid ovens that heated with the broiled on both in preheating (not unusual) and during the cooking. It was almost impossible to bake anything that wasn't burned on top. I wound up putting one rack on the top with my pizza stone to shiels whatever I was cooking. When I had a tech out, he spent a lot of time, pulled the technical manual and called in to consult with the Kitchenaid/Whirlpool techs -- they confirmed that the oven was perfoming as intended.

Sorry you have to add new ovens to you purchases, but that would be non-negotiable for me too. It's hard to believe they have been tolerated all these years.

Here's a close-up of the controls:

I think you might be able to see some text that says "Convect, Set, Speed Clean, Cook" at the bottom, and then off to the side, there is more text that says "Clean, Broil, Lock", "Delay, Timed, Bake" and "Stop, Timer [ON]. I have no idea how to access this, and the up and down buttons do nothing by themselves. I can make the switch between bake and broil and set the temperature and cooking time, as well as the timer, but that's pretty much all I can do.

I baked some potatoes in a covered pan in the upper oven at 360° for 40 minutes, and for the last 20 minutes, I baked some Coho salmon in the lower oven in an open Pyrex bread pan. Everything came out the way I wanted it to, but I could not set two different temperatures for the different ovens.

I'm never frantic when I cook either, Lars, but I find that I often need an easy to reach place to put pans if I'm doing a full meal with four or five dishes in the oven needing different interventions while cooking. Drop down oven doors are designed for putting pans on. If you need to pull out a dish to baste or turn a joint for example. Or to add ingredients part way through cooking. Much easier than turning round with a scalding pan and placing it on a surface behind you. I just know I would find that arrangement annoying and cramped.

nicole___, Are you saying that I should get the Bosch 800? I looked at the manual, and I liked what I saw. We had Bosch 800 series dishwasher in L.A. and liked it.

I've never had four or five dishes in ovens at the same time - three perhaps, and even that is rare, as I rarely cook for crowds, and especially not recently.

When I baste something, I take it out of the oven completely and close the oven door after I have set the baking pan on a trivet on a countertop. I generally never baste anything while standing in front of an open oven door, unless it is something very small, like a chicken. When I roast a turkey using the dry salt method, it does not require basting, but I do use an aluminum foil tent for part of the baking.

We do most of our roasting outdoors, except when it is too hot.

So, when you used it to bake potatoes and salmon, did the bottom oven heat up too? Do you think that maybe the bottom part of the oven is just for broiling? Having no controls for the bottom just makes no sense does it!

If you are going to have to replace that built in oven anyway, why not just get you a free standing oven with the type of burners that you like? I have a built in oven and I really do not care for it at all. If I had my choice, I'd have a free standing oven.

I found this Lars, some Maytag models manuals with some pictures. I do believe that the bottom oven is just a "broiler cavity" as I saw in one of the manuals of an oven that looks like yours. OK so below is a link to some manuals:

HOPE THIS IS IT!

I'd get the model no. and call Maytag customer service. (I looked on line at a similar model but the manual was only for a single oven.) I can't imagine that they'd make a double oven without a way to control them separately. In fact, some have one oven self-cleaning and one not. So you'd have to be able to address them separately.

But for me I'd want new anyway as 24" is just too small. My 27" Viking is fine, but I wouldn't want to go smaller. My trivection is even wider which is nice, but it's not as deep so it wont' fit, say, a round pizza pan.

This just cannot be correct. There's information you don't have Lars. Good luck tracking it down--it will save you a ton of money and rearranging.

I agree about making sure there's off loading surface near the fridge and ovens. Can't tell from the pic how far away the counter is. But we are always using our island to put stuff out of or into both.

On one remodel I did, I replaced the analog control panel with a digital one. The new panel was about $175 back then, new double ovens were $1200....it saved me money...and I was living there...cooking there...I was going to pay the place off before I remodeled the kitchen. SO ooooooooooooooooooo.......3 years later....house was paid off....and I kept the foot print and got rid of everything. This is the stage YOUR in. If it were me....I'd get rid of everything old and start NEW! Yes, I think you should get a Bosch 800 series double oven. They're probably on back order. They're VERY much in demand. :0) Treat yourself....and get everything NEW. The frig is nice, but I think you liked your double French door frig's "look". Your a designer....you want your own home to be an expression of your talents.....(I do).....don't hold back.....it's a few dollars....really....little things matter to us. JMO

I agree. Get everything new. Nothing fits later and the companies do not keep parts. Found that out with my GE slide in range. Control board went out and they no longer made the part.

Would this by any chance be where your model number is.

For future reference we suggest you retain this

manual after recording the model number and

serial number of this wall oven in the spaces

provided. This information can be found on the

data plate located under the broiler oven bottom

On my GE built-in it's right around the front where the door hits the seal like, it's not on the inside of the oven..

(No help from me but those types of controls drive me nuts. Cancel means off. No on button. We had one like that, but the panel was also designed for symmetry, not functionality.)

Our current double oven is a Bosch, I don’t recall the series, but all functions are visible on the panel. Knobs, mostly knobs, only complaint is we haven’t figured out how to cancel the timer altogether, without letting it or forcing it down to zero.

One thing we learned about the new ovens: one criteria to look for is how loud is it. When replacing the 30-year-old double oven, we first got a Whirlpool, it was a return, in the box. Before the installers made it back to the store we were calling about the noise of the cooling fan. They need it to cool the electronics. Then I came here, my thread is probably still there in 2013, and we also googled ”quiet ovens”. Who knew that could be a criteria? Not us! So take that into consideration. Bosch was the quietest and even though we can hear it in the kitchen and dining room, we can’t hear it upstairs or in the living room unless it’s really quiet in the house. (Right now the landscaper leaf blowers doing fall cleanup all over the neighborhood drowns out nearly everything,)

Lars, as suggested above, the model/serial tag may be on the edge of one of the doors, or edge of one of the oven cavities. It should reasonably be somewhere visible without requiring the unit be pulled from the wall.

Like Nicole, I’m seeing older units with lower broiler cavities.

Since you habe the soace, I would expand to 30” not 27”. Not becsuse you need bigger oven cavities but becausr:

Also make sure your fridge is standard, both height and width, before building around thet. i’ve got issues with fridges at both my hpuse and my mom’s that can’t easiky be replaced due to size.

With the wall on one side, and a refrigerator on the other, how easy is it to clean inside the ovens?

It's the Maytag CWG3100AAE gas wall oven in black.

The upper compartment is the oven and the lower compartment is the broiler. Hence the lack of dual controls.

• The oven runs on 120 volts so if you replace it with an electric wall oven, you will need to add a 240 volt circuit whose electrical box is in the required location.
• Here are the current oven's cutout dimensions
• You can probably fit the KitchenAid KODC504PPS or Whirlpool WOD52ES4MZ in the existing space BUT you will have to remove the top cabinet because the current oven's cutout is 38" high but the replacement ovens' cutouts are >=49-3/4" (same for both appliances; both are manufactured by Whirlpool Corp.)

arkansas girl, I think you are right about the bottom section being a broiler only, as that is the only thing that makes sense. As I said, I can switch between baking and broil, but it does appear that the bottom oven heats up when the top oven is set for baking, as the salmon did get done. It might not have gotten as hot - I do not have oven thermometers in the ovens.

It looks like I will have to replace the double ovens, and I think the Maytag is old enough to warrant needing to be replaced.

I do like the Bosch double oven, and it has a lot of features that I like - it has options for warming and for proofing that was useful to me. I'll just have to find who has it for the best price, and it might be Best Buy.

ETA: I checked Nicole's link to Best Buy, and the price today is $1,200 more than yesterday, and so I will keep shopping.

We're here for ya Lars.

THIS house is already a pretty "thang"...but it's going to be AMAZING! Your personal touch is going to set you apart from average...to stunning! You'll enjoy this remodel for years to come!

If you want to stick to 24" width you can look at the Miele ovens. I really like my 24" Miele CSO XXL and it is definitely not too small.

Lats, is your current oven gas as wdccruise suggests? If so, I'd get a price on wiring in the 220. I'd be a little surprised if you don't have room on your panel, bur you never know. A service chsnge would likely set you back at least a couple grand.

If you are going to keep that configuration, I would look at a counter depth fridge so the ovens are not set back in a recess. My son has an LG French door with the flex drawer and loves it. I have loved my Wolf ovens but have mixed feelings about replacing with Wolf -- mainly the cost and availability. I would be willing to look at Bosch's 800 and Benchmark series. Any particular reason the 800 series is so popular now?

My current wall oven is NOT gas - it is electric, and so I must already have the 220 circuit for that.

We are replacing all of the cabinets in the kitchen, and so we will not be using the existing cutout for the new oven - it can be whatever size we want.

I think the 27" wide Bosch will be big enough, but the 24" is really too small - my baking sheet will not fit inside sideways, although it will fit lengthwise.

This extra cost will put us at the top end of what we had budgeted, but it will not break the bank. I know I will be a lot happier with new wall ovens - I have no desire to use a slide-on range instead - I have always loved wall ovens and never had them, until now. I do not like stooping down to get things out of low ovens, and I do like having ovens closer to eye level.

I do not want a counter depth fridge because they have a lot less interior space, although I would like the separate refrigerator and freezer from Gaggenau or Subzero, which are definitely not in this budget. For just the two of us, I do not think that is necessary.

Gas or electric was my next question. The upper cavity for baking and lower dedicated to broiling would perhaps be reasonable for gas, with the burner between them. Not so much for electric.

I saw the price change....DANG! Was it on an early Black Friday sale or something. That was weird! I haven't researched THIS model....but the price looks good...Link It has an MCM feel to the knobs...it's not all digital.....but it is convection.

I'd get the 800 series.Link to a lower price

Not sure how much shipping would be either. I purchased a showroom display Viking range hood once...the freight was reasonable...$120.

How old is the current oven? We had to up our electric for the new oven. And the installer had to alter the cavity that it went into, too.

You are buying new cabinets, buy

all new appliances also.

Can the old tiles be removed and reused?

Lars, do double check the year of your Maytag. Yours may not be as old as you think. Convection ovens for home use didn’t become popular until after 2000.

It may not have a convection function being that there's no Convection mode selector button. The reference to Convect on the display may be an artifact of the display module being used for multiple models. Presence or absence of a convection circulation fan is a tell-tale.

I'm sorry that the ovens are causing issues. I know you didn't ask about it, but I'm having a problem imagining how I would use them in that location, squeezed in between a non-counter-depth fridge and a partial wall. I use my one oven (bottom half of slide-in stove) a lot, baking, roasting, reheating. First issue is where is your landing spot? Sometimes you need to set something down FAST. Also, there's no good sideways access or wiggle room.

I have the Bosch with the side opening doors and LOVE them!!! Good luck.

The current distance from the end of the open oven door to the landing space is 24", and the good this is that these are both at the same height. I find it much more awkward to lift something from a low oven up to a 32" high countertop. Right now, I can very easily move something from the wall oven to the counter while standing in one place.

Despite everyone's advice (which I appreciate), it is still impossible for me to find a model number for the existing wall ovens, but I've pretty much decided that I do not want to keep them anyway.

I don't know about reusing old floor tiles - it might be possible, according to the contractor, but we do have some extras. He's coming this evening to take measurements, and I will ask him about the ovens at that time.

nicole___, I do not see a shipping option for Bell's Home Furnishings - only pick-up at store. I've found the Bosch ovens at some other websites that also do not offer shipping, or at least not to California :( These ovens weigh 243 pounds.

Lars...Best Buy has a price guarantee, as I recall. You should be able to just print out a copy of the lower price at another retailer and they'll match it....or Home Depot will.

Best Buy has the earliest delivery date of Jan 7, and so that is sort of out. I even checked "out of box" and discovered that that is not available at all.

Kevin has a coupon from Home Depot good for up to $200 off, and this results in the best price I've found since Best Buy's deal ended.

Look at the french door wall ovens. You will not have to strain your back reaching over the door to remove food. I’m not suggesting this brand, just illustrating what I’m talking about.

Unfortunately, the French doors will not work in my kitchen, as there is a partial wall next to where the oven will go.

I just looked at Ferguson for the Bosch oven, and they give a 17 to 22 week lead time!

Since the oven rack pulls out, it seems that French doors are unnecessary, and Floral would have no place to set her pan!

Home Depot will price match + give you 10%....or use Kevin's coupon! Score! Just print out one of the lower priced Bosch suppliers and bring it with you when you make the purchase. (has to be the same model Bosch)

I know the 800 series oven is on backorder...but it's so worth the wait....Home Depot sounds pretty good....

I did THIS kitchen in Wolf....and it took 5 weeks to get it...back in 2018.

Kevin already ordered the Bosch ovens with his coupon, and so that drama is over - at least until delivery date, which is estimated to be Oct 22.

The contractor and his brother have come and gone and have gotten all of their measurements and answered my questions.

Thanks again, Nicole, for recommending these ovens - I'm sure I will love them, after reading the specs.

That is a Maytag gas oven not an electric one. Broiler is in the lower oven cavity and baking is done in the upper oven cavity.

That is a 100% electric Maytag oven - not gas at all. It only has electrical elements in both cavities, and it has zero gas elements. If this makes it rare, perhaps it has some resale value.

Not that it really matters at this point but according to Maytag, this is where the serial/model number should be :

Where to find model number on wall ovens according to maytag

Yes, it should be there, but it is not - it must have fallen off or perhaps someone removed it when cleaning it. Thanks for your help, however!

I've looked at lifespans of wall ovens, and these are old enough to warrant being replaced. The new ones have so many features that I will use, and the 24" width of the old one is really too small.

I had an old 24” oven and the cavity was significantly smaller than new models. Still, I think you did the right thing going larger. How many amps is your oven circuit? Should be easy to find on your panel even if it’s not labeled. it’s one of the doubled up breakers.

I only just saw the breakers yesterday when a pool guy came out to look at the pool cover that will not open. It turns out that part of the mechanism is broken, but the motor works fine. To repair it, he will have to turn off power to the motor, and so he went to look at the breakers. Two of them are marked "Pool" and so it is unclear which one is for the pool cover motor.

I'll try to look at the breakers for the kitchen tomorrow. The contractor said that he can fix the electrical circuit if necessary.

The model/serial tag may be affixed to the underside of the bottom panel (floor) of the lower oven (broiler) cavity. Try this:

No, not there either, but at least now it is not necessary, since we have already ordered replacement ovens.