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Help with design for better function

5 months ago

I have a 1970s house and would like to remodel the kitchen. I don’t want a huge entertainment space. I don’t think I want to open it up to other rooms. I definitely need more counter space. I live with my two children (11 and 13).

A major challenge is there are 3 entries and I don’t want to get rid of any of them.

  1. I think I want to move the sink and dishwasher to the window.

  2. I’ve purchased appliances—black Samsung bespoke induction range with double oven, spoke fridge 4 door and dishwasher. Also have the above range microwave but would like to trade that for a drawer.

Beyond that do you have suggestions for a layout?

Comments (23)

  • 5 months ago

    The X are where the stove, fridge and sink currently are! All can be moved.

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    I think id switch the fridge and range spots, doesnt seem high value to change much else w walls and doorways remaining. you could look for an interesting work table/ mobile cart for window spot w a stool or 2. If you place fridge on liv rm wall you can get deeper counters flanking the unit. that does help


    get a quote for the changes to do this if you seriously want the sink at window wall...../ question of budget. you have not indicated.


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  • 5 months ago

    It is hard to add comments without measurements of the room and of the new appliances you have already purchased and locked yourself into. Is the new fridge counter depth?


    If you move the sink and dishwasher to the windows, you'd have to put in new counter height windows. Is that in your scope of work? I'd appreciate having more counter space adjacent to your sink. The current set up gives you this.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    You need to do a to scale floor plan on graph paper to make it easier . Every window, doorway where those lead and every measurement clearly marked The size of the appliances since they are already purchsed . I see wallpaper is that kind of your style ? Do you need to eat in there ? Can you change the windows ? So many questions. Now you post the plan here in jpeg format in a comment DO NOT START another post . All things related to this post are now dealt with here in comments

  • 5 months ago

    You’re doing new floors and cabinets?

  • 5 months ago

    I see your fridge juts into the room more than your doorway but that is not shown on your plan. Can it then be set back all on the same plane? The other thing is that your appliances sound too big for the room. A plan with more dimensions are needed.

  • 5 months ago

    Whatever layout you decide upon, consider widening the openings to the living room and dining room. From your pics the openings appear small.

  • 5 months ago

    Yes I do plan to change everything. Floors. Walls. Windows so I can move the sink.

    I have considered enlarging the door to the living room.

    Be appliances are Samsung Bespoke 4 door flex and dimensions are
    Product Height
    73 inches
    Product Width
    35 7/8 inches
    Height To Top Of Refrigerator (Without Hinges)
    70 3/4 inches
    Height To Top Of Door Hinge
    73 inches
    Depth Without Handle

    Stove

    Product Depth (in.)
    28.6 in
    Product Height (in.)
    36.75 in
    Product Width (in.)
    29.9 in
    Range Size (Width)
    30 in.

    We do not need to eat in here. I do like wallpaper and have it in the dining room but am thinking more a mid century look in the kitchen. Maybe walnut cabinets. Or a little lighter wood? I like the hexagon tiles.

  • 5 months ago

    Here’s a rough sketch

  • 5 months ago

    Thank you for your help! So I want to move the sink to the window. I know that means replacing the windows. That would give me a lot of counter space where the current sink is. I’m wondering if there’s room for a small island if we do that?

    I know what should happen is to remove that wall, place an island near or where the current sink is, and open it to the dining room. But want to see what’s possible keeping it closed first.

    As for groceries I bring them in from
    The side where the living room entrance is.

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    If you are ok with shifting the door openings bit, you could have full or shallow depth cabinets on the sink wall all across.

    I do not think you have room for an island.

    Hopefully one of the more talented people here will do something with your measurements.

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  • PRO
    5 months ago

    Moving the dining room to the center is the best idea.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    At a quick glance , my first thought is to move the door ways. You could have a nice u shaped kitchen and a wall of 12"- 15" deep pantries or coffee station on the other side. Since the counters are all connected and not chopped up, you should have more work space. .


    Do you have 2 living rooms? What is in front of the dining room? Can you change the plan to be the dining room and that front room into your new living room and then put the dining room at the front on the other side and expand the kitchen?

    Good luck!

  • 5 months ago

    Moving the rooms doesn’t work for this house in my opinion. Somehow came out and gave this design but I’m not sure it would work. Also have considered opening wall to dining but worried about different floors. I like the original floors in dining but will replace the kitchen.

  • 5 months ago

    @Debbi Washburn is better than the one you just posted. the uninterrupted u shape is functional. you don't have room for an island. debbies put the work space out of the way. allows people to open fridge without going through the work area.





  • 5 months ago

    Agree, I think the little square island is a hindrance more than a help.

    I also would not do the pass through thing. If you wanted to do a peninsula on one side, do it without upper cabinets so it's truly open. The double pass through design is halfway between open plan and full walls, and gives the benefits of neither.

    Another nice feature of Debbie's plan is that it gives access to the fridge from the living room without crossing through the kitchen work zone.

  • PRO
    5 months ago

    You could do that, but I do not like the pass through look for the living room side especially with the stove there. Pick which side to have the peninsula on and put the stove on the opposite side. No overhead cabinets on the peninsula either.

    I would not do that island in the middle. I don't know how that even fits in there with proper walkways. Personally I do not care for the sink and stove to be on separate counters - I prefer a continuous counter.

    Tried to do a quick flip of the design. This has the peninsula on the dining room side, but it could just as easily go on the living room side - it depends on where you want to look. I would also keep the sink pulled out a bit rom the bay so you can create the U shape. You can really see the difference in the workable counter space.



  • 5 months ago

    Thank you for your work! Moving the doors to where you suggest do not work for the other rooms. I do not like the double peninsula either and think I would keep both closed as they are.

    This room and house are a challenge for me.

    Is it possible/weird to use the space behind the kitchen—the door beside where the current refrigerator is? There’s a coat closet and small closet under the stairs opposite and the main entrance is opposite that door by the fridge. It’s weird to walk into the kitchen right?

  • 5 months ago
    last modified: 5 months ago

    But would you be open to rearranging the furniture in the other rooms, if it gives your challenging home better function and flow and could improve how you live in it every day? Envisioning changes really is hard. I'm sure it can feel like dominoes, oh if we change this then we have to move that and replace that other thing. But making changes means... making changes. If you really don't want to shift anything else about your home, don't, and replicate the layout you have and call it good. Add a wheeled cart/island that could be pushed into the bay window or pulled out for more work surface.

  • 5 months ago

    Thank you for the reminder. The new door from kitchen would be opposite the fireplace which would shop a narrow room in half. I’ll try to envision ideas!

    I wonder if moving the fridge to the wall beside the door to the dining would work? Then I could have a long side of cabinets and counter that could wrap around to where the fridge currently is. And this would still be moving the sink and dishwasher to the window area. I need more counter space primarily.

  • 5 months ago

    If you are going to all the expense of changing windows, moving appliances, please reconsider moving the kitchen to the dining space.

    Your kitchen sink will not be on view when entering the house. Lots of counter space. Room for a pantry cabinet to the left of the fridge. Stove on an outside wall for venting hood.

    Dining room with a beautiful bay window.

    You can keep the wall for furniture/tv in the living room.

    Or you could cut the wall back, have the tv on the wall across from the fireplace and float a sofa and two chairs in the room.



  • PRO
    5 months ago

    What about moving just one door? Then you could have an L shaped kitchen ( no peninsula open to the other room ) and you could get the countertop you need.

    Just getting more counter in a kitchen is useless if it doesn't connect. No one likes to pick up and move from station to station.

    Move the dining room door and have the stove on the new wall and the sink under the window and then you could do the ref with pantries for extra storage.

    Do you have more pictures? That would be helpful to see what is happening in the next rooms?