You only have ONE corner, and it isn't big. I'd rather have a blind drawer. Put the mixer in the PANTRY?

Did some cleanup on aisle 9 today... I put in a corner drawer (quick research said these are 12" each side... it made some holes............... is there anything that can go in a 5" space?

^^ I edited this.. it feels like these tall cabinets want to be the same height as the other cabinets

I was going to say the same thing about the pantry height and adding the same flat crown. I think that pantry wall looks great!

Get a bigger trash pullout for the 5” gap. Unless you are using a custom cabinet builder that could make a 20”, I think most cabinet companies do an 18” and 21”. Since 21” won’t fit, what about doing the 18” trash with a 1” filler on each side? Maybe others will have a better solution.

What cabinet company are you thinking of using?

Excellent question!! I have no idea. I was starting with RTA cabinets just based on them being budget friendly but have you guys seen the quality really drop with those? I hope that this doesn't have to be custom custom! 100% open to any recommendations on that front.

I was concerned about the pantry door relationship to that header opening, but with the filler it will still be ok.. plus you always will have that same condition on the opposite side with the fridge there now...

Not sure why everyone hates on lazy susan's here. I loved mine. It held my blender, glass and metal nesting bowls, all of my glass food storage containers, salad spinner, and more. I hate the kind with a double hinged door. But mine was just a panel that you pushed and it spun around. No hinges to the door.

I wouldn't get your heart set on any of the design that you have come up with. Depending no what route you go for cabinets, you may have to modify, and be flexible.

There will be plenty of opinions on what the best kind of cabinetry is, but first, tell us:

- What is your entire kitchen budget and what does that need to cover in addition to cabinets?

- What is your specific cabinet budget?

- Are you planning on doing any of the work yourself?

- If not, do you have a contractor you are planning on working with, or are you starting from scratch?

Somewhere along the way I had heard disdain for Susan but I am not sure what Susan ever did to them...

Not sure why everyone hates on lazy susan's here.

Well, I love my 36” Super Susan! Big prep bowls, pie plates, cheese grater, mini appliances, those chopper things that you pound on for garlic (lol!), and a boat load of other stuff!

Maybe ”Lazy” Susan is lazy and she allows stuff to fall off her shelves into never, never land? You have to get a small child to crawl in the back of the cabinet to fish the tupperware that fell off from the back corner?

Aisle 9

"I think most cabinet companies do an 18” trash /recycle says Kendrah

All my clients have an 18" trash pullout

That why one of my schemes up there had this "15/18" trash/recy ............: ) BECAUSE it's a strict confine and who knew if what the wall would be?!

Or????

Five, divisible by 2 is 2.5 and two fillers, 2.5" in the corner you'll NEVER EVER stare at

OR

YOU make a front panel,a front/bottom and rails. Slab front no trim, put a knob on it and it's a pullout for cookie SHEETS

Aisle 9:

The pantry wall:

How much MONEY do you have?!

You are not going to have enough?

The POINT OF THE PANTRY wall is storage. Match the dining header, and use shaker doors,

and BUY shaker doors to a closet you frame and build. As long as flooring is beneath? change it in a couple years!!

You don't NEED a set down space there or you do?.

Or use 3 /30" BASES w/doors only, cut them back to 18" for a 3" sacrifice in aisle.....it's an opportunity! Use a different paint color! Find a white remnant solid surface for top. Center it on the 8'7 " wall!

What does that do?

You get storage but the LOW and open is a less in your face storage.

You get a place for mail, phone charging.....all the s^%$ crapola of daily living you don't want on the island to be clutter, or cleared off to make a meal..

Then

Add 2 lamps! Add A.R.T Add a flat screen tv you can watch while making cinnamon rolls!.

It's a lovely accent tide over in a white shaker kitchen,

As Kendrah inspo wall? ? Yeah! Of course pretty!,,,,,,and it goes in a 75 - 90 k Kitchen!!.....That may have to evolve. As money is saved......

You can be as picky neurotic as you like with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to accommodate the picky neurotic and you are willing to wait foreeeeeever with your bundle of "I'm a perfectionist moolah.:)

Top 2 lines are 4 u

It is called "The Iron Triangle for a reason

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See what your money can buy, then start picking apart your plan to see what you need to cut out. The kitchen is not only cabinetry but the cost of labor too - not only your install but opening the wall and finishing the new entryway into your dining room. And, relocating plumbing to under the window depending on what is already there.

I've never had anything fall off of my lazy susan. Good thing because we have no kids to crawl back there.

Wellllll hardly anyone on this earth uses a salad spinner anymore! So many great green salad options, ready to go/organic/needing no wash.: )

Bright Farms Sunny Crunch Is amazing!! and it keep extremely well!

I would eat one quarter of the salads I do, if not for ready to use.

Romaine? Lay it out between paper towels.

PS!!!

Put it all in here/mock up an order...........see what the dollars look like? RTA.......

https://www.barkercabinets.com/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwk43ABhBIEiwAvvMEByYXHc9BFcvHlyNFPm_VRjmcuARl9tdCg_qlwpOcDDv_qczu7DDMyBoCz-4QAvD_BwE

related

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2700224/barker-cabinet-review

I love my salad spinner for farmer's market lettuce and other fresh, local greens that are not pre-packaged. It hadn't occurred to me that fewer people are using them these days but it makes sense.

@Jacque Link - What is the app you use to reduce your food waste?

Yeah i dont see salad spinners going out of fashion any time soon. so many people in my area are reducing use of pre-packaged foods.

I looked into using Barker for my kitchen remodel. They seem very nice. I ended up getting Schuler cabs from Lowes for a great price.

Ikea is another place to look into. Many people on this site recommend them. Here is a link for Ikea ”hacks”.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4306128/ikea-hacks-compilation-of-ikea-hacks

"so many people in my area are reducing use of pre-packaged foods."

If you live alone and you WORK? I'll tell ya' when you want a salad spinner and it's the far side of never, unless you never eat out ! The "packaging" reduces food waste, is easier, unless you are making a back to back night of " Iceberg wedge" : ( zero nutrition ) with bacon and blue cheese.

If you live in a cold climate over half the year, don't grow your own? A frozen bag of broccoli florets is faster, easier and has equal nutrients to farm to table. Especially if the fresh languishes in the fridge. Same with lettuce all kinds.

@Kendrah we plan to do 95% of the work ourselves. The bathroom photos I posted above are our work. My dad (retired teacher) worked with a contractor during the summers and is very handy. We work with his supervision on "the hard stuff" like electrical and plumbing but nothing we hadn't already done with those bathrooms. We actually had a ginormous 80s jacuzzi tub layout and had enough room to divide the bathroom in half and so we actually did 2 bathrooms at the same time. Also the reason you all get the feeling that I am not 'un informed' is that I am a cidq designer by trade but a commercial designer in higher education architecture. And that being said, a designer who knows when I'm out of my zone. Recently left the industry because of a lot of things that make it un-conducive to possible kids in the future . . The travel, the not knowing when the end of the day will be.. but that is how /why I'm doing these drawings the way I am :)

Anyway.. all that to say, we don't need to be completely bottom of the barrel..nor would I want to be. I have heard people do Ikea frames and change the doors but I think in a kitchen I want the dovetail drawer construction, the high quality slides. (We already changed out a broken slide on the existing kitchen and let me tell you that is not as easy as it sounds in particle board cabinets that are pulling apart from each other and all swelled and not square!)

RTA seemed to be the way to get it all but if you guys tell me they are trash then I will move on from them, you all have more experience with specifying cabinets than I do! I will say we are price conscious when it comes to labor because most of the time it is like "we could have done that"

I have been estimated 25k for semi custom cabinets based on just the SF. But I have not gotten a specific plan priced.. I think that is the next logical step. I'm willing to save for whatever we need to to make it happen (within reason) so I'm going to say on the scale between "were redoing the kitchen because we're selling it and leaving so slap anything in there, .... To... Kim Kardashian ...we are upper middle of the road, leaning towards quality that is going to last. Because the last thing you want is to put all of your OWN TIME and sacrificed evenings and weekends and have the thing fall apart . That being said, we aren't paying a contractor for labor, so that money from a typical kitchen estimate can go right back into the cabinets and finishes :)

My own research also brought up Barker so I'll def check them out. There is another company called Lanae that looked very pretty and high quality... And they had a double decker cutlery drawer that really caught my eye.....

As for the drop space, we have a brown leather catchall that holds keys, and I don't see why it couldnt just live on the side counter next to the range, or on one of the shelves in the cabinet we decide to put the coats.. we are very very neat people so I don't see too much piling up no matter what spot we make for ourselves. @JAN MOYER do you dislike the combination pantry wall+counter niche? Would you rather it be all one or all the other?

I think we would notice more of a useful change to have it be storage rather than a countertop that I have to figure out how to accessorize lol. But I have a piece of large art above the little credenza now and that looks nice and it could also be used as a buffet of sorts, however I think the woodwork becomes the art once it is a cabinet, and not buying additional quartz might make it a wash in the end price wise.... Ultimately we know this is not going to be a cheap thing so it just is going to be what it's going to be without going overboard on something frivolous like paying way too much for hand fired backsplash tile or something.

I don't use a salad spinner lol but I use an app called Cookbook that we plug in all of the recipes we cook into a database. Each week I choose 3 or 4 meals and the app will consolidate the grocery list to what you said you were going to make and I just buy those things, so by Wednesday or Thursday, we're back to an empty fridge and repeat the process. I also try to stack the meals so if one only uses half of a container of tomatoes, another recipe I selected uses the other half. It works for us and like I said it helps us to throw very little away, and also uses very little boxed or packaged stuff so the food items we are storing don't usually hang around for too long, and also leaves room for a spontaneous pizza night or friends want to go out etc! I'm also a huge minimalist and don't have a ton of kitchen "stuff" and appliances.. for instance in the existing kitchen, the corner wall cabinet and the ones above the fridge are essentially empty and we don't feel like we are bursting at the seams in STUFF but the FUNCTION is definitely something I'm really excited to improve for sure!!

We ain't scared of no labor 👻

It may be different in your area, but have you gotten personal recommendation for cabinet makers and priced out a couple? I only ask because when we did my mom's little galley kitchen, I put together the cabinetry design and priced it out at three RTA places for $8-10k. I also asked around and got names for three local cabinet makers which means not assembling them myself, and including installation were bid at $6-9k. The $6000 guy had wonderful attention to detail as well as beautiful construction, and we are so happy!

That is actually a very uplifting story @Julie S haha and I will definitely do my due diligence. If we can focus on the other construction items like the wall and floor that would be great too. I don't feel like we have planned for anything extravagant here and so I think we can make it happen in some way and I'm not anticipating cuts in especially layout. But it's an exercise I haven't done yet .. I'll try to push that forward next

"@JAN MOYER do you dislike the combination pantry wall+counter niche? Would you rather it be all one or all the other?"

Your preference is the option that best combines what you really need most........with what looks best to y.o.u.

"however I think the woodwork becomes the art once it is a cabinet, and not buying additional quartz might make it a wash in the end price wise....

Cabinetry, no matter how fine, no matter how pretty, isn't "artwork". The little counter space in this, will not affect anything as it relates to dollars.....and it surely doesn't need a worry as to "accessorizing".

Example below.

(sorry, never got great pictures - you NEVER get the picture moment ; it's like a two second window in any remodel.......)

Custom kitchen, in what used to be honey oak, arched doors......

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Butler pantry below..... that was formerly part of the too small dining room. The wall with no cabinets, is the wall shared with a new laundry. The former LIVING room beyond, became the new dining room- rescued from a wasteland of "we don't go in there. At all".

( Hale Navy cabinetry)

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The "pantry" wall below is the necessary but "boring": )

Totally functional. For a family with three teen boys who could eat you out of house and home.

Do I droooooool over this wall? No. But it is well done. It is loaded with small appliances, bulky pots/pans, SNACKS in baskets behind the doors ala "The Costco trip of 400 power bars" for post crew/football practice and gigantic jars of peanut butter. and even paper towels.

Fridge is across the opening at right to butler, in line with a direct route to the sink/range.

And the stairway is behind this wall of storage.

The kitchen would be useless, without this wall.

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Similar on this one down here. Formerly a dark cherry and granite tomb, with a walk-in pantry, too small to BE a walk-in.

Every single thing, every aspect, can not be the star in your show. There is the star, the understudy, supporting cast, and there is the chorus, and the guy who just yanks the curtain .

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All the former walk in contents fits in the space left of fridge......( new pantry)

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In the end, it is what you NEED.

this???

or this.........( apologies in advance /art)

The adjusted proportions there is definitely an improvement, it feels intentional and reflects the same proportions of the window across from it. I like that there is some relief, and I totally understand the story about people who live a different life than us with the Costco runs and what their needs are compared to ours. Obviously I don't have a crystal ball to know how ours will change at the instance of an additional mouth in the house but I think this sketch provides some balance between those two lives and solves the initial problem of the no entry zone.

I would say that I do like the addition of a drop space here since that is exactly why we added the credenza now on that wall. In the last sketch, essentially the first tall unit would be like a mini closet/locker type function and the second may be secondary storage/pantry items but that being said, we could always add more hooks to the other side if necessary after living with it for awhile.

I will adjust and post the updates.. happy Easter everyone! 🐰 🐣

I didnt have enough space for 30 48 30, so I went 24 48 24.. looking more composed for sure - I tried 30 36 30 at first but it wasn't drastic enough of a change between the 3 sections to get the effect we liked about the sketch. There is still 3-6 corner to corner on these two sides here. The model is forshortening this compared to the floor plan - the second 3d image is little bit better representation of where the two end from each other.

Love the wider counter cut out area in the storage wall. It can also transform into a bar when entertaining. Makes more sense give you don’t have huge storage needs. And yes, the left wall cabinet will make a great shoe/coat area. Never underestimate how many coat you can cram onto a row of many hooks.

Local cabinet makers can mean any number of things. If you get quotes from one ask if you can tour their workspace, ask where all of their components are from and what they are made of. In the low end price range a custom shopnis likely assembling part of rta cabinets, but you just dont know the name or brand so cannot evaluate the quality. I have seen fantastic Ilea kitchen that have lasted 20 years. With your ability to DIY, I put it high on the list of RTA options.

I think that the best design for this kitchen is first removing the wall between the dining room and the kitchen. Eliminate an island and then move the sink under the window. Range should go on the wall where refrigerator is about 18" from the end of the run. This give maximun work space between the sink and the cooktop.

Then create a peninsula with seating coming off the sink wall where the pantry is now. Finally move the pantry, the refrigerator and base and wall cabinetry to the back wall. Because the island is eliminated which there isn't enough room for to do well, you will end up with way more cabinetry and countertop and far more open space in the middle of the kitchen.

We review designs from all over the US free of charge every Friday 2-4 pm EST. Just call 610-500-4071 ready to send designs. A small percentage of the calls we turn into our podcast. Here's a link to our latest episode. Calls with Paul Episode 53

Try this.......put the detail in : )

21" 42 " 21

A little gain at the entry of "not in your face"

because while the wall is same, less "tall In your face at the pinch" is a perception of more than is there .

On a 103" wall ( 8'7"

Line up the door to short cabinet ratio

LOL.......Yes, I realize the art is getting worse, I'm making a dessert to travel

Line UP the split of the tall door with the shorter cabinets middle.As the art gets worse....

But I know you'll get it

HMMM I kind of like the taller opening (21 42 21..30H). Will I get arrested for not having aligned uppers all around?!

I've been liking inspo images of this fluted glass!

MUCH nicer at the door

They both look good!! Either way! I like the taller opening and I think the extra 6" at the entry point is definitely a painless gain in airiness at the pinch point

There are no kitchen police, ( well a few of US ) and I would not be afraid of making that entire side .....a different paint color, either.

It's not a wet area, so it needs no tile.....Hang art!

In other words, it's the spot in the kitchen that sort of blends the utility of needed storage you can't SEE with the feel of connecting with dining room? Especially with a little mini bar set up when entertaining!

I concur that this wall is a separate visual feature in your kitchen. The uppers don't need to align, and in fact, I think it looks better if they don't. The more you differentiate this area, the more open I think the room will feel because it is not hemmed in by sameness on all the cabinet walls.

It is a delight to see how this space is evolving. I agree the fluted glass is a nice feature. For the opening consider - concealed under cabinet lighting on a separate dimmer switch.

Thoughts for the opening finish: 1. A mirrored back. 2. A walnut countertop and slab of walnut for the back. 3. Keep the back of the opening unfinished and wait to find the perfect piece of artwork or object to hang. I'm obsessed with vintage silver art deco trays and would hang one there in a heartbeat, though I know that is quite a specific look! Check out images of small built-in dry bar nooks for inspiration.

@JAN MOYER - You are the founding member of the FOkP. (Fraternal Order of kitchen Police.)

Small mirrored areas.

Omg it is actually funny that you mention art deco trays . . We have an inside joke that when I first met my husband he thought art deco was a person. Like as in ARTHUR 😂. So any time I get a chance to plug Sir Arthur P Deco into anything, I do lol. Plus my living room fireplace is so deco. And that's how it came with the house believe it or not!

I really like the idea of art here, the idea of it being a mini bar (he's going to like that too) and the change in color. I can put color to the model, stay tuned........

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"ART"!!!

I only got to one tonight!! wood on wood... hm...................................

as much as I like the painted greenish/teal colors in photos, it just wasn't looking right here. I can't exactly place why. I have been trying to warm up some of my color choices lately so maybe that's why some of the cooler green inspos I tried weren't jiving.. I was thinking the island and the pantry would be white to "go away" as much as possible

Your kitchen! I'd probably keep all the perimeter white, maybe do the island in a wood stain?

Don't forget......there are stools ,there can be a backsplash, etc, there will be WOOD on the floor......so?

Looking great Jacque! Nice job on the rendering!

Sir Arthur P Deco, oh my word that is hilarious!

I have The Frame TV in my open kitchen/dining/living room. When it is turned off it looks like a framed work of art. I have fun changing up the ”art”. They have so much you can chose and access to museums all around the world. I love it!

Sometimes I put on upbeat music videos and rock out as I cook. Other times I turn on softer music that show pictures of beautiful destinations around the world. I change it up depending on my mood! Or if my husband cooks, he can still watch the game.

I could not find a great example, but you could still have the higher cabinets running above it between the pantries if you want. Just an idea, but thumbs up on the art!

There's a you tube revolve in my nail salon.

All nature, incredible revolving photography , movie style. It is "mes mer izing"!!

So close I can taste it..

I definitely want to try to flip the white and wood! I agree, and especially after looking at more pictures that there is enough wood, and the dining table is also wood and the stools as you said so, plenty of opportunities. I feel like white kitchens were deemed "out" but perhaps only when done builder grade flipper style.... I tried greens and charcoal last night but wasn't wild on either. Will try white!

I also need to get pulls in the model, because that will give a total picture but that was too tedious for 10pm!

No kidding, there are no better. Huge selection with multiple sizes/finishes.

You want to use as few sizes as possible.....: ) if pulls.

https://www.topknobs.com/

You've resolved so many problems, but the basic sq footage still exists: this is a small-ish space. Be careful not to color block it into a Mondrian.

I always love a white kitchen, making things "disappear", and highlighting a bit of quality wood.

I'd paint the walls, cabinets, ceiling, and dining room a great off white. Probably the island too. Do the entire storage/key counter wall in walnut. Make it feel more like furniture that compliments the dining and living areas of your home.

You want this kitchen to last well beyond any trend. White is timeless. Over the years you can switch up hardware, island stools, and small accent colors.

^ I agree with Kendrah - we put in a white kitchen in 2010 and worked *hard* to limit our materials (wood floors, low key/boring quartzite, slab backsplash) still looks current

^top contender

^ LOVING this.

I tried a TON of combinations but favorited the dark .. well i'll call it "rich" wood! I really like the warmth that it brings in. The sage starts to feel farmy to me though, the stain for the floor will be a VERY particular study. I'm glad you still feel that your white kitchen is still current! That is my biggest fear is for this to be brand new (so much work) but feel cheap or blah but I think the wood elevates it from feeling too plastic. Here are some swatches I have been throwing together:

My "PT-1" is Ben Moore Shoreline

I like the white perimeter, white island and ONLY the pantry in a stain.

Why? The second you put the wood on the island you "dilute" the pantry a.ccent.

Use a WOOD stool at a white island .... A woven wood shade at the window , stand a couple of cutting boards on the perimeter..... : )

A lot depends what counter top , so don't forget that.

As to the word "plastic" you used?

That is a function of WHICH white? Icy white goes that way....but the right white doesn't.

I use a custom mix I made 28 years ago:

2/3 decorator white Ben and 1/3 linen white. Ben . My cabinet shop took my formula and it was their best selling white from six.

When I want softer? I reverse the formula.

Wish this pic didn't suck - first formula

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and this below is flipped to warmer 2/3 linen 1/3 decorator.and Taj Mahal on tops. I did that because the rest of the house is warm...

Also bad pics

lol

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below are from The rta Baker site.......AND a good example of how lighting changes warm to cold

a bit icy below

And....................you consider the whole of your home. All below 13 years ago. A bit void of accessories, because they were the listing photos when my client sold it last year

And last?????

Be VERY careful of walnut stains on maple.....as below. It just doesn't love to be stained. It loves paint or leave it alone.....: ( it gets blothcy!!!

I'm really getting excited about this. The island is going to need some development because i think technically there will probably be more support under the countertop so it wont feel so anemic on the leg side.

The big new doorway is still like.. that hair that keeps poking you in the eye but you just can't find where its coming from. I hate to create another pinch corner but in all relationships from both views the sides are not equal. I will keep noodling on this but it won't affect the overall layout.. I am still waiting on quotes but so far I think we can make it happen as drawn..

I will know more about the load bearing requirements of this wall next weekend so that can tell me how far I can scoot those wing walls without it looking like a little nub, but no matter what it is going to be uneven because of the fridge side. Hm...mm.mmm

I think that believing the opening needs to have symmetrical sides is a non requirement! I lived in a home with many many things slightly off center and asymmetrical, which initially I was annoyed about, but because of that I began to look at other people's homes with a closer eye and was staggered at how UNcommon symmetry was in normal homes. Things of this sort look so much more important in renderings than when you are physically in the space. Fiddle with the doorway if it makes you happy, but don't squeeze your walkways or compromise function for the sake of symmetry, that false god!

don't squeeze your walkways or compromise function for the sake of symmetry, that false god!

Beautifully stated. Place art on the dining room wall adjacent to the short wing wall. It distracts your eye from comparing the size of the two wings.

I concur with your top preferences around color. You just need to start shopping and obtaining cabinet door samples. It sounds like you are not in the market for custom cabinetry with custom paint mixes. I suspect when you can touch and see the actual samples in your own home, you will know right away what the right combo is for whether to do the island in white or wood, and whether the rich wood that fits your price range is the quality you are seeking.

I 100% get the plastic-ish concern. That was our biggest reaction to many cabinets when we began shopping. While it is true that the icy white has a more pronounced plastic feel, we saw plenty of warm whites that shouted plastic too.

Your latest renderings are looking good!

Consider a taller window over the sink with a different light fixture. The rendering’s window height looks a bit squatty/out of proportion to me with the soffit removed and the cabinets going to the ceiling.

Good luck with your renovation! Please post after photos.

"I hate to create another pinch corner but in all relationships from both views the sides are not equal. I will keep noodling"

No.........you will cease noodling. I mean it! Stop. It's ART near the back door on both blank walls. It's an absolute non issue. " I will not re create the very problems I set out to eliminate!" Vertically oriented art on the wall.. a single long, and a threesome. Done!

What matters is the light and open aspect. It matters not if wing walls are identical.

The island and a visual weight with the right weight! .The answer is spelled A.P.R.O. N. Beneath the flimsy appearing solid open "unsupported" surface...because it needs the support anyway! It hides steel support, and looks fantastic.

^^

That looks great, and consistent all sides!

That is all it needs.

Several points?

You've had a dark kitchen, correct?

You've had a hulking solid island.?

You have had a "pinch" point.....?

You have lived with a zero mudroom hang it stow it?

There is not an UN limited amount of resources?.......but that said? Get the microwave out of its over the range position. Get a stainless hood, or hood insert cabinet clad face.

Let time be an ally- there are lots of 30" ranges that have the look of luxury.

You find the local cabinet guy who can build this kitchen? You consider! inset cabinet doors and drawers.....or the most skillful execution of full overlay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNnxi2VYWqM

There is no reason any mostly white kitchen need look "plastic" . It is absurd on the face of all kitchen discussions : ) it's what white, and what ELSE?

Last? "perfection is the enemy of the good."

"perfection is the enemy of the good."

"perfection is the enemy of the good."

"perfection is the enemy of the good."

Question please. What software are you using for your great 3D renders? Working on our kitchen and so hard to visualize from top view only in Illustrator.

Haha I honestly have like endless patience for noodling lol, you guys will have to pry this mouse out of my hand!!!

I'm using Revit. It's way overkill and very complex program for homeowner use but it is what I used for design software for work and so it's what I know and am fastest at! But I definitely wouldn't recommend it to just pick up quick on a whim, it's just not that kind of program! It also helps me construction wise which is important because we do all the contractor work ourselves so that is another point for me but likely unnecessary for others! There are lots of other things out there that are more user friendly!

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You find the local cabinet guy who can build this kitchen? You consider! inset cabinet doors and drawers.....or the most skillful execution of full overlay.

Ooh. Ok here is something I would like to talk about!! Why inset?! So far I have been telling the people for pricing .. frameless full overlay because I thought it made the most open space inside. My current ones are framed and so if you open a double cabinet they have the divider in the middle. Is it because it takes better craftsmanship to do the inset?

Also yes I had figured there would be more framing on that island end, and I do think the chunkier legs help with balance as well

Seeing those photos with the big doorway helps and that green tile is almost exactly what I chose for the bathroom.. I love that green and the tone of the wood on that island.

The pinch I was worried about creating is by adjusting the length of he wing wall on the dining room side of the pantry. If I make it equal to the fridge we start to creep too close to the corner of the island soon maybe they are just unequal and it just is what it is.

Speaking of the island, at one point I did have the microwave there, but we ended up putting it OTR. Are you saying to put it back in a base cabinet? I can probably find a spot, right now we have one 48" cabinet that holds all of our pots and pans, so that's truly all of the volume I would need to match to meet our base cabinet storage needs besides the standard drawer items like utensils.

A microwave over the range (OTR) is a ‘love it‘ or ‘hate it ‘ layout. It’s a personal preference. Personally, I dislike OTR. I prefer a good hood exhaust vented to the outside for cooking. I also don‘t like the height OTR for lifting hot items from the microwave or when family spills liquid microwaved items onto the range top below. I also find the OTR design to be outdated from the 90s.

"The pinch I was worried about creating is by adjusting the length of he wing wall on the dining room side of the pantry. If I make it equal to the fridge we start to creep too close to the corner of the island soon maybe they are just unequal and it just is what it is.

For the last time: )?" "Maybe they are unequal"?

They have to be unequal or you lose the island and any seats. YA GOTTA STOP. Really.

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I don't want a plastic cheap kitchen. There's NOTHING wrong with full overlay. There will be a speck of space where upper doors MEET.

You don't need to "divide" You add a "flap" on backside of one door, so there is no visible to the eye gap.

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Look at a thousand white kitchens. What ELEVATES them

Yes a hood helps.You don't use a micro much?

Hide it elsewhere. Like a dorm size: )

All the luxury appliances HELP

The right white helps......

Inset.....you lose a couple INTERIOR inches perhaps... but? They are one level above full overlay.

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"right now we have one 48" cabinet that holds all of our pots and pans, so that's truly all of the volume I would need to match to meet our base cabinet storage"

You have two deep pot/pan storage drawers right of the range?? Pasta or huge in the pantry?

Go back and watch the RTA video.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNnxi2VYWqM

Best Apron?

this,,,

It's Never this extreme, but you have to allow some expansion in wood..

You literally glue an overlap flap to back side of ONE door and yes, like a fridge, close the flap side FIRST.

Again......it's never that extreme!!!

Repeat...watch the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNnxi2VYWqM

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Inset.....you lose a couple INTERIOR inches perhaps... but? They are one level above full overlay.

I've always thought of inset as custom and premium. Are there RTA insets? You lose inches with inset, but storage doesn't seem of concern to you. They look so much better, but you pay for it.

You literally glue an overlap flap to back side of ONE door and yes, like a fridge, close the flap side FIRST.

This would drive me crazy. You'd also have to open one specific side and then the other.

Yes..........one side and then the other. Like every pantry style fridge.: )