More picture renderings

I agree the zline is a bit nicer, but I have the kitchen aid and like it a lot.

I’d keep the 48” if you can

Magnificent renderings btw!!! Absolutely beautiful! 🤎🤍

Do you have the 48 kitchen aid?

If you cook a lot, personally I would only do a 36” cooktop with double wall ovens or a 48” range with double oven like the ZLINE you are showing as you have the space. I am not familiar with ZLINE but your rendering reminds me a lot of the Wolf 48” range. The 2nd oven is smaller so depending on what you are cooking that could be an issue.

ZLINE is assembled in China - has pricing or delivery dates been affected by tariffs?

You have the room so consider a 4’x10’ (rather than 9’) island which will give you a bit more room for 4 chairs and wider work space on either side of a good-sized sink.

I’ve gotten used to having multiple ovens so without the option for a wall oven somewhere, I’d opt for the 48” range. Yeah the second oven is small, but the fact that it’s there probably makes better use of space than a 36" oven does.

I realize we're just looking at renderings, but I don't see the two fixtures flanking the hood offering any useful light. I'd be more interested in widening the hood.

The two fixtures will be functional but even if they don’t give enough light we will have recessed lighting as well as a light under the hood.

This space is functionally constrained because of the traffic flow from the side door. You need counter space more than range. A 36" but really a 30" induction range is what fits the actual single wall space. Electrolux or Bosch. I'd take the money you don't spend and put it into a SubZero frig for longevity. if you can relocate that door the sink could come off the island for a true 'L' configuration. I also don't see a task lighting layout.

I can’t relocate the door, it’s the door to the garage.

I love the aesthetic of your kitchen - it's similar to what I am doing in my kitchen.

A 48" range is more than I need = having more countertop area + storage is more important to me. I currently have a range with a double oven - but the lower oven is low as pointed out by Jennifer above - some turkey drippings splashed out while I was lifting it out of the lower oven last year - and I wound up with a few burns on my arm (luckily, they weren't serious).

I also don't use both ovens at the same time very often - however, I am looking at new appliances for my kitchen reno - and I still am drawn to ranges with double ovens!

I do have a question for you - what is the width of the work aisle between the range and island? Your sink is directly across from your range - that usually isn't the best layout.

I would also make your island 10' long if it works - I'd want more countertop space on both sides of the sink.

The island is a little over 9ft and we figured the width at 45 inches between sink and range. This is the way I’ve got it planned now from left to right.
24 inch microwave drawer, 15 inch trash pull out, 36 sink base for 33 inch sink, 24 inch dishwasher and 12 inch pullout drawer.

So I guess roughly 39 inches on one side of sink and 36 on the other for prep. I’m also planning on getting a workstation sink.

Didn't the designer of the house include a bay window so that you could put a dining table and chairs there? It appears that the enormous island will render that space unusable because there won't be sufficient space to walk between its furniture and the island. Also, people seated at the island will face away from the yard instead of enjoying the view. Why?

When I remodeled my previous house I installed a 48" Wolf DF Range and I also had a 24" Miele CSO XXL. We do a lot of outdoor grilling and I'm not into baking (we don't need the calories!). I liked having all the options when hosting larger events. I found the ovens in the 48" range were never the right size, specially the smaller one. I used the Miele CSO all the time and any time I needed an oven. It heats up so quickly.

When I built a few years later I did a 36" Wolf Induction Range and a 24" Miele CSO XXL. Rarely use the big oven, other than large parties a couple of time per year. Still love the Miele CSO.

In hindsight, I should have done a 36" Induction cooktop and three Miele CSO ovens! That would have been the perfect combination for the way I cook and entertain.

@wdccruise. This is a remodel and originally the island was angled instead of rectangular but the people seated at island were never able to view the outside - Even before. As far as the window nook, I’ve thought about this myself and wondered if I made the island too long, unfortunately this is a remodel and not a new build so I have to make compromises in certain areas.

I can still add seating at the bay window and probably a small chair and use it as a breakfast nook but definitely no dining table there.

Small table**

"I can still add seating at the bay window and probably a small [table] and use it as a breakfast nook"

Seems like a big loss to me but maybe you have a dining area that overlooks the outdoors elsewhere.

I do have a dedicated dining room!

Due to expansion of cooking plumes as they rise toward the overhead hood, the hood entry aperture should exceed the cooking surface by a few inches each side, as well as front-to-back. Without commercial type hood reservoir volume under the baffles, flow rates have to accommodate individual plume capture and not the easier task of average plume capture. These two requirements mean that wider stoves than necessary lead to significant hood and blower expense, which may require scaled equivalent expense in the make-up air system.

It'd be useful to see a full floorplan.

@dan1888

IMO rarely does a home require a 48" range and the increase cost for venting is my reason for doing 36 " almost always. If you do a bit of rearranging your could probably add a wall oven below the counter . I run a catering biz with a 36" all gas range and double electric wallovens . I never like a sink directaly across from a range and the rip from fridge to sink should not cross in front of the range either . While I am at it IMO workstation sinks are not worth the money. Think if you use the goofy little cutting board for nstance you now have 1/2 a sink thye have ledges that make cleaning more than yoiu need and that grid on the bottom gets gross and adds one more thing to clean . Get the best stainless sink you can afford asbig as you need and deep no grid and honestly my sinks are 18 yrs old and not one bit more scatched then they would be with a grid . KItchens are designed first always for function so think about how you cook and store food and dishes then the pretty stuff if you can afford it. To start the drawers on either side of the range should be wide and deep enough to hold all your pots and pans no spices or oils stored next to the range sides. Waht is the room behind the range as you show it ? Is this a single storey home where th range can vent out the roof ? IMO the range on ano outside wall is ideal

Do not forget the 54" hood and Make Up Air system that a large range requires. Also, there are so many BAD quality wannabe pro style ranges out there, that you have to be very careful how you spend your money on that purchase. Or, you are ending up with a paperweight that does nothing, and cannot be fixed. Zline would just be a big expensive failure.

If you want something big and upscale like this, there's no escaping the true cost of all the everything that's require, together. That includes the built in refrigerator, DW, etc. You would be looking at a 40-60K expense for appliances, ventilation, and MUA, in order to do it correctly. That would need the 250K+-+++ kitchen for all of that to go in, in order to justify that expense. Of course, a 250K kitchen shouldn't be in a 500K house either. So, this all ties together to the level of neighborhood that you live in, if any of that is expected. If it's not expected, then you are just spending a lot of money for zero return.

@patricia it’s 2 story but the wall where I have the range on is directly under attic so we can vent out the roof. Why no oils and spices next to range? The room behind range is a laundry on one side and pantry on the other. The door you see on the range wall goes to a walk in pantry. The door that the fridge is on is the garage wall and venting out of it would have been more difficult as there is a room directly above that wall not attic space.

My sister did something I had never seen before or since in any kitchen, but is absolutely genius and may work in your situation.

Instead of taking up valuable counter space for small appliances or appliances garages or having the inconvenience of having them stored in a bottom cupboard or having to lug them from the pantry to the kitchen she created garage doors as a backsplash on the wall between her pantry and the kitchen. The granite countertop extends into the pantry and is where she stores her small appliances.

@jenniferhogan Oh yeah that’s super smart! Unfortunately it won’t work in my pantry! But that is a great idea.

Thanks for the layout.

I see the laundry and open 6 feet around it compromising the kitchen and dining space function. Moving the washer dryer somewhere else is the first choice. Then you have the width for an 'L' configuration with no sink on the very long island turned 90 degrees for current. And space remains for using the bay.

If you retain that space the entrance can be on the end wall facing the living room. A closing pocket door would work. You can remove 3 feet of width to add for the kitchen. With the pictured door removed and the added 3 feet a smaller 'L' kitchen gets the sink off the island. The island moves over, and more dining space is available.

Both these options with good task led lighting, can give you a good functioning kitchen. 36" induction range is still suggested.

No way can you jam a table and chairs in the nook like that. According to my design book, a 36" square table -- for four people -- requires 3' on each side of the table to allow space for chairs. (An armless chair requires 32" for "arising and departing" and 36" for "edging past a seated person". Each person should be allowed 24" of side-to-side table space.)

FWIW….I also really wanted a 48” range in our new build…have always wanted the big beautiful range and we cook a lot. But….while we entertain a lot…it’s just the 2 of us the majority of the time. Also, bending down to get things in and out of the oven….not great as we age. We went back and forth and ended up with a 36” range top (with a 42” vent hood, I believe) and a steam oven, with a larger wall oven in a back kitchen for when we need more. This keeps us from bending over to use the oven, the steam oven uses less space than a traditional wall oven, and when we were honest with ourselves, a 36” range top was “enough”. Good luck - it’s hard to reconcile the necessary and smart functionality with what has been in the mind about all the wish list/dream items.

I think we’re going to end up going with a 36 range. Now I just need to decide which one, I think I prefer dual fuel. I really love the look of my fridge wall as it will be my coffee station wall as well so I don’t want to add it there so we’ll see. I have lived the past married 11 years without double ovens so I can probably still do without them now??

There seems like a lot of open unused space in the pantry and laundry areas. Using pocket doors will reduce the space needed for door swings in that area. If you reduce the open space there by ~2’, you could then make the kitchen 2’ wider which, with minor adjustment to gain another 3-12’, could give you room for double ovens on the fridge/coffee bar wall.

when we did a gut remodel of my “forever kitchen” I was getting a 48” range. I am an a cook, doing two from scratch meals a day for the family as well as entertaining frequently for 15+ people.

The appliance dealer was happy sell me whatever I wanted but really made me think about how often I would use all 48”. exhaust is also a consideration.

I was in love with the look of a huge range.

I went with a 36” Wolf dual fuel and have never regreted it, not once did I wish for extra burners.

i do wish i would have put in an extra wall oven.

Go LOOK at 36" Monogram dual fuel range. It is in a half dozen client homes and there is nobody who does not love it. One wrote a thank u to my guy at the appliance store,; called it a MACHINE!and it should be noted she is an amazing cook and baker.

"I have lived the past married 11 years without double ovens so I can probably still do without them now??"

The OVEN in the Monogram is catering size.

Honestly the number of times most people need a second oven is the holidays. Get a Breville and put it in the pantry.

Thank you Jan! Super helpful!

Loooove my Breville! I use it way more than i thought I would, even use it for baking .

And wanted to add, the preheat time compared to waiting for the oven to preheat
is terrific.

The preheat time is also a reason we went with the rangetop and steam oven for primary oven in the wall - preheat time for a 36” oven is not short.

Well good GRIEF girls! You preheat while you prep!

Even my junk GE takes no more than 6 min to get to 350 : ) , half again as long for more.

Preheat for the oven in the 36" Wolf Induction range is way more than 6 minutes! Which is why I love my 24" Miele CSO XXL for most things. That is why I say I should have gone with an induction cooktop and 3 of the Miele ovens. That would have been the ultimate flexibility for everyday and when entertaining.

Also anytime you open that huge 36" oven door you lose so much of the heat.

Not a fan of Wolf. While I love Sub Zero? Not everyone does everything well. Monogram excels with that range. SZ cooling.....Bosch? The DW.

I also find that when you've made any baked goods, or any oven dish a couple times? Not much need to peek in there.....unless basting the Turkey event. Thankfully, a sister spares me THAT one.All I do is procure and store to deliver and she does thaw,!! and alllll.Amen.

I wasn’t sure from your last post whether or not you have ruled out a double oven.

Is it possible to move the door opening (that is to the left of the range area) down 3-4’ so you can put a double oven there?