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rosefollyz5

What Austin rose for part shade cover, zone 5

last year

I've come up with two, based on descriptions, not experience. One is Winchester Cathedral (Auscat) and the other is Susan Williams-Ellis (Ausquirk).


I have not grown either one of them, and at this point neither is currently available from any source I have yet found. I suspect it will be easier to find Winchester Catherdral, so of course I immediately decided that the one I really want is the other one!


Has to be white, has to be repeat blooming (I have planted a number of once bloomers), has to be hardy and has to be highly disease resistant. Fragrance is nice, too. Anyway, has anyone ever even grown Susan WS? I never even heard of it until now.

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    Vaporvac, I thought about your comment. I loved MP in California. I decided to order it . That wafting scent was heavenly and some of the cold tolerant roses I have ordered have no scent.

    Malorena and Diane (is that an accurate abbreviation?), I would still like to give Susan W-E a trial. I want fragrance and repeat, and a small rose for the front of the border would be perfectly acceptable. It appears to be sold out for the season. If I remember next year, and if I still have an open spot, I will give it another try.

    I might get Winchester Cathedral, too. We'll see. I have no idea how shade tolerant it is, if at all. This is a new way of thinking for me. My old garden was larger and mostly very sunny.

    Thanks to everyone for your helpful comments. Anita told me that I might have trouble getting repeat, cold-tolerance and perfume in the same roses, and it appears she was right, as she often is!

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    • last year

      I can't vouch for disease resistance there, but Perdita is one which exhibits a great deal of shade tolerance. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.2210.1

      Rosefolly z5 thanked roseseek
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      Thanks. Perdita is a very pretty rose, but according to the picture and description it has too much color for this selection. I am looking for a white rose.

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      Not Austins, but loverly still: Marie Pavie, Lindee and Yvonne Rabier. I'll try to dig up some pics The Tooth Fairy does really well also and is quite hardy, but quite a different aesthetic from the "typical" Austin.

      Rosefolly z5 thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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      I have grown, and very much like, Marie Pavie. In California it repeats in flushes all the year around. I have put it aside for now due to a tendency to go pink in cooler weather, a flaw of many white roses. If I don't find something that suits me better I may well come back to it.

      Yvonne Rabie looks very pretty. This is a new rose for me, but it is listed as hardy to 6b while MP is listed at 4b.

      I like the looks of Lindee as well, but it is another 6b rose. Probably not hardy enough.

      The name of Tooth Fairy tickled my fancy, but I think I am looking for a showier rose. I have a couple of singles already.

      Perhaps no one has yet grown Susan Williams-Ellis. I am growing more and more curious about it.

    • last year

      I just ordered susan this year because Austin says it had great disease resistance but cant be aure yet. I however wouldnt think any Austins would have great disease resistance in such a cooler zone and part shade.


      non austins that have great disease resistance here are: cloud 10, Brilliant vigorosa, Easy spirit, Guirlande d’amour and honeymoon. Check on hardiness my zone is much warmer so advice from cooler areas may be better


      Rosefolly z5 thanked dianela7analabama
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      Those I mentioned here are very hardy to -7F and -20 windchill. Almost tip hardy.Yvonne Rabier is a special rose. I bought mine from Burling, but a few othes carry her. I believe many of the 6b ratings on HMF are fall-back default.

      Rosefolly z5 thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    • last year

      Sorry. I should read the title 1st. I read it as white not what!

      Rosefolly z5 thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    • last year

      'Susan Williams-Ellis' has a delicious fragrance, just like The Mayflower from which it sported.. here in England I found it to be rather short and lacking impact, and I think would be best in a group of 3 or more if affordable... the individual blooms are short lived and a little muddled..

      I've lost all my photos of this rose unfortunately. No idea how it performs elsewhere.

      Rosefolly z5 thanked Marlorena
    • last year

      I've seen Winchester cathedral growing in a solid zone 5I believe it was in full sun

      Rosefolly z5 thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    • last year

      I've grown both Winchester Cathedral and Susan W-E in my zone 5 garden and they were reasonably hardy for me. They were both in part sun and they survived but like a lot of roses in shade they didn't bloom all that often. I can't smell the fragrance of either of them, but I can't smell most roses anyway. Susan stayed mostly 4' for me and WC was a bit taller. Both had double blooms with a typical Austin look.

      Cynthia

      Rosefolly z5 thanked HU-290063788
    • last year

      Thanks, Cynthia, very helpful in knowing where to place Winchester Cathedral. The spot I have in mind does have several hours of morning sun this time of year. I'll worry about Susan W-E once I actually find it for sale and in stock.

    • last year

      Darlows Enigma is white and does well in part shade, but it gets big. Marie Pavie does well in part shade and so does Fair Bianca, an English Rose with aa strong myrrh scent.

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