First the cabinet maker makes the cabinets to work with the kitchen designers design Do not let him design your kitchen please . Many things wrong here stop now and get a good independant KD I see a bank of useles drawers they will hole nothing non matching cabinets on a wallwith a window not good You never want to pass infront of the range to go from fridge to sink . I actually do not care if the sink in under the window since honestly we are not old farm wives who spend the day at the sink Put a prep sink in the isalnd forget the window sik and then make the island a little wider for better use when entertaining so that you can fit the sink handy to the fridge for prep. Kitchens are designed with many issues that you do not think about that is way a good KD is a must in what looks like new build .So much of this should have been designed at the beginning of the build

I would want my sink centered on the window too. It would drive me bonkers if it wasnt.

Are you changing the window? I agree with Debbi Washburn that with the 3-part window, you really want the sink centered. But if you change it to the single picture window, I don't think centering matters at all.

I agree with Debbi also - the triple window pane would make me really want my sink to be centered.

It seems like an odd place for the microwave. Is there a reason it's been located there?

Know thyself - off centered would not bother me at all, especially since you barely can get a view of the sink + window lineup straight on in this house. As long as the function is great, symmetry is not very important to me (and balance can be created in more interesting ways).

Thanks all for weighing in! And special thanks to Debbi for a visual! The kitchen window is as shown and is very much installed so I’ve got what I’ve got for a window. I wanted my microwave close to the pantry/scullery. Actually considered not putting a microwave in at all as we use it rarely but did put it in because we use it enough and I think others would want one also.

Appreciate all the input and it’s very helpful!

I would not put the microwave there. If you really dont use it much, is there a place inside the pantry, where it could go.

Airbnb life has taught me a lot about kitchen features I like or dislike. Yes the sink goes in front of the window and yes it needs to be centered. The most useful island has no sink or cook top.

Debbi Washburn - is it recommended to have same size sink cabinet as sink size? I feel like I’ve read that somewhere. I was planning on 33.

A 33 inch sink I mean.

Hello. Do you have a floor plan/top view with all the furniture in the kitchen area?

Yes, definitely center the sink!

Did you decide on the quartzite?

I would NOT want the sink centered for these reasons:

It will highlight that the windows are not centered on the wall and that the size of the uppers are two different sizes. That would kick in OCD mind for me to a much worse degree than having an uncentered sink.

It throws off all of your cabinet measurements. It is nice to have one side of this counter run accommodate large drawers. Are you chopping things up too much by centering the sink? What do you intend to store in these drawers and what will their size be with a centered sink?

It will create more of a pinch point with the island because the person standing at the sink will have the island corner nearer to them. Does this constrict circulation?

Plus, your whole set-up just seems to sit right with me without the sink centered. That window wall isn’t the main focus of your room, and having it off center seems more pleasing.

Kendrah! Excellent points .. good pondering points - I wondered about pinch point on island corner too 🤔.

Rebunky! No! I have give myself permission to take another week to have several sleeps on it. 🫠😵 flooring gets installed week of July 21st ish … so think I have a bit more time. Either way, taking the time!

Tachch - I don't yet, but expect to get one soon! Will post when I have it.

Very rough renderings but for what it's worth, see latest.

I'm waiting for island cabinet layout to be fixed. It's as follows.

from left to right, prep sink/cabinet, then trash pull out, then 4 deep drawers for pots/pans with spice drawer and utensils in top drawers.

Meg,

Can you please post the 2D overhead kitchen cabinet floorplan or layout? We really need that. We need to know the isle widths, the cabinet sizes, the window placements, etc, in order to help.

I do not think you have ever posted what we actually need to see in any of the threads you have started. Renderings can be very distorted and misleading. It is the bird eye’s view we need!

For instance Kendra mentioned the isle space between the cleanup sink/dw and the corner of the island looking tight, so then moving the sink to the right to be centered on the window would make it worse. Is there or is there not enough isle width between the sink wall and the island? Who knows? Are we supposed to guess based off the distorted renderings?

Kendra also mentioned the window being not centered on the wall and the two cabinets being different sizes. What I want to know is if the window is centered between the two cabinets on either side? Is the small amount of wall space between the left cabinet and the window the same amount of wall space from the window to the right cabinet?

Let us help you fine tune this beautiful kitchen! If you post the overhead layout we will understand how to help. 😘

Yes, do the 33" cabinet for the 33" sink - Unless it is a true apron sink, then you can do the 33" in a 33" or 34" cabinet because of how the sink is installed - it slips over the the face of the sink cabinet.

Totally agree to be careful with renderings - they often pretty things up and gloss over functional details

Do you have a kitchen designer or are you only working with the cabinetmaker to design your kitchen? (We only worked with our cabinetmaker but the woman who owned this 60 year old family cabinet company was also a national certified kitchen designer who really knew her stuff.)

I'm curious what others think about the dishwasher placement. I'd want it to the left of the sink so plates are cleared from the table, set to the right of the sink, and loaded to the left of the sink. I hate bending down to load a dishwasher in front of a pile of dirty dishes. Also, when you are unloading pots and pans the open dishwasher is right there. If the dishwasher is to the left of the sink, you have to walk through this island pinch point to unload pots and pans. BUT, where are your dishes and glasses stored -- that makes a big difference too.

Your proposed island layout seems like very narrow pots and pan drawers to me at 24". Curious what other think of that too. Have you laid out your pots and pans on a counter and stacked them up as they would be in a 24" drawer?

What is kept in the pantry room behind this room?

Definitely need to fine tune the plans. I would probably do a 33 or 36" wide pots and pans drawer base and a 16-19" Cabinet with tray dividers for cutting boards, cookie sheets and muffin tins ( or even a little bigger if needed ) .

The window does not have equal spacing between the left wall and the slider so the 2 cabinets are different sizes. Since the right one is going to be a glass door cabinet, it doesn't bother me that they aren't the same size.

Thank you all for your comments. Let me find those elevations for you and get your many questions answered! Will touch base later tonight when the littles go down!

As always, so appreciate everyone chiming in!

I would think about flipping the layout of the island. With the prep sink on the other end, it makes it closer to the refrigerator for accessing produce, etc. The real plus in my eyes is that it moves a helper out of my way at the sink.

Meg, have you thought through in your head where things will go in this kitchen? As you unload the DW, where are your plates and glasses going? I'm not sure about the glass cabinet at the end of the run. To me, that cabinet is prime real estate for dishes or glasses with convenient access to the DW and the table.

I also just moved a DD into a house that has a cabinet like that in a similar location. Guess what? We had good intentions to make it prestty but it ended up with glasses in it, all willy nilly. At least it has a texured glass. If you really have a great view out the windows, I'm not sure the glass doors are necessary to me.

I have not seen other threads so I do not know what is behind those doors shown, not do I know how many and what ages live with you.

Yes I would need sink centered for my sanity and I think Debbi Washburn's rendering show what I thought to do , move one stack of drawers to the left. I also like the idea of that extra prep sink flipped to where the fridge is.

Debbi - thanks for comment on sink. I asked my cabinet maker and he reiterated what he told me before which was we needed a 36 inch cabinet for a 33 inch sink. Hmm, I wonder what disconnect is. Maybe bc I asked for a modified European look (work around to appear inset) so he needs "frame" around? I'm not sure.

Rebunky - here's best I have right now. Which I know is missing some measurements. But it's a start. I'm working w/ a freelance designer online to obtain 3D renderings of the cabinet elevations from my cabinet maker so I can better visualize. I do know theres 39 inches from (now centered) kitchen sink to island- that walkway width, and actual measurement is off corner of fridge/freezer to corner of island is closer to 40, 39.5 I believe. And then range to island walkway is 42-45 if I recall but I'll get exact.

Also, for those asking, attached is a conceptual view of the pantry's behind the stove range wall (some updates have been made since but gives you idea). One pretty pantry on right as you look at stove wall is essentially for all things baking - kitchen aid and things baking related, and the other pantry a more traditional pantry goods as well as small appliances - toaster oven, instant pot, etc.

Debbie - we used your visual and did end up reworking things to center the sink, as well as resize the uppers some! Thank you! We got rid of the weird cookie sheet vertical on the far left and have a bank of drawers near micro. I have a nice pull out and adj shelves along side fridge area that I will use for cookie sheets, cutting boards, etc.. I'll post new rendering once I have.

Oh! And top view including pantries.

Hi Meg, thanks for the measurements. Unfortunately, it is worse then I thought. 😖 This is why we ask people repeatedly for measurements while they are still in the planning stage and long before things are set in stone (like your island plumbing set in concrete).

I do know theres 39 inches from (now centered) kitchen sink to island

You might have 39” from the perimeter cabs to the island. Is that measurement from cabinet to cabinet or from countertop overhang to countertop overhang? You definitely do not have 39” from the front of the farm sink to the island. It looks like it is 36”. That is kind of ridiculous when you have such a large space to work with.

A ”designer” should know that 42” is the minimum isle width suggested by the NKBA for working isles. Also, 42” is when only one person will be working in the kitchen. 48” is for two or more people working.

Well, I guess there is not much you can do now, unless you are willing to move plumbing or skip the island sink so that you can shrink the width of the island. At the very least, I would skip the farm sink since it sticks out a few inches further than the countertop.

If you are willing to make some changes, it is not too late. I would like to see you have, not just a beautiful kitchen to look at, but one that functions beautifully as well. Personally, a 36” isle would never fly. I might compromise with 42”, but not an inch less.

I hope Jan Moyer will chime in since she was very much involved in your previous thread. For some reason I can’t tag her.

I've added some dimensions. Not exact but close.

PPF, thanks! That helps.

Meg, so you see, it is only 36” (or a fraction less) in front of the farm sink.

I can think of a few things you can do to gain inches in that aisle without moving the island plumbing.

1) Change to an under mount sink instead of a farm sink.

2) Make the island countertop overhang (sides only) less then the normal 1.5”. Maybe do 1/2” to 3/4”?

3) Make the island width smaller by having the countertop end at the cabinets, instead of after the 4” (?) thick extended sides. I would have to see it mocked up, but it might look fine if you have a thinner “skin” extended side panel, but do the thick part just underneath the seating overhang. I think it would still give the illusion of the thicker sides? Hope that made sense! I know you like that look of the extended sides, but it does make the space for stools much less. It is okay to do those kind of details on a large kitchen island, but with your smaller island, I’d skip the extended sides. You would need to adjust the island a little so it is still centered with the range/hood wall, if that matters to you.

4) Make the prep sink/sink cabinet smaller. You could do an 18“ sink in an 18” cabinet. Or keep the 21” sink, but in a 21” sink cabinet instead of the 24”.

With all of these changes you might get the aisle to 42” or possibly more? I didn’t do the math. Actually, just the sink change alone would get you to 42”. But, if you have your heart set on the farm sink, I figured you could play around with the other ideas mentioned.

You also would gain more space in the opposite aisle in front of the fridge. I actually would center the fridge with the aisle between the island and stove. Oops, I just realized you have the wall next to the fridge done already, so scratch that.

Hopefully others will have some ideas to gain space as well. 🥰

* Sorry for all my edits to add stuff!

Responding to your sink question - the cabinet size depends on the size of the sink and type of installation. The example I showed you was what some apron sinks can look like. With that type you don't necessarily need the extra 1 1/2" on each side of the sink . The other type of farm sink is full enclosed on the sides so you will need the larger cabinet.

I agree with others, the walkway on the sink side is tight. I would take 6" - 9 " off the island. I know the new " standards" are much wider than they were before, but sometimes you can't always get to that size. Just be aware of what you actually have so you aren't disappointed when it is all done.

I also feel that the prep sink should be moved. But I don't think it should be right at the end either. I remember one of the pros always saying you need a " dirty " side to put the stuff out of the ref, then you clean it and move it to the clean side. Just something to think about.

You have the nice walk in pantry area so your storage in the main area of the kitchen is for the everyday items and what makes cooking and prepping the easiest.

Thank you all! I’m getting updated elevations from my cabinet maker to post and yes, we did measure from countertop edge to countertop edge to be sure we were getting actual aisle width. Stay tuned … I’ll be back shortly!