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Whether changing formal dining into a two rooms would add value?

4 months ago

Doing a big remodel and I am thinking about changing my formal dining into half butlers pantry and the half into a reading room with builtins and small sofa . I wanted to change it because I rarely use my formal dining and since my kitchen has a small designated space for refrigerator and I need a bigger one, I was going to move refrigerator to the pantry area and add a floor the ceiling pantry cabinet. Additionally, the butlers pantry extending from the kitchen would add more storage space. i already have breakfadt room that after the remodel I would add a 6 chair round table. I need more space in the kitched and therefore converting dining is the only solution but I want to make sure it does take from the value of the home but rather add value. My remodel includes new cabinets, paint, floors etc. i would really appreciate any all help and open to other ideas. i am upload pictures of exosting dining room and pictures of what i envision it to be. Thanks!!!!






Comments (18)

  • 4 months ago
    last modified: 4 months ago

    No, replacing a formal dining room with a butler's pantry and small reading room would not add value in my area.

    Salma Ayub thanked apple_pie_order
  • 4 months ago
    last modified: 4 months ago

    I don't use my formal dining room very often - I have a large kitchen with a table that is set for 6 - but could seat 8 if needed + an island with seating.

    I've changed the use of my formal dining room - but I haven't changed the actual room to the extent that it couldn't be changed back to a formal dining room again.

    Many people are changing their formal dining room to something else. However, it seems like they aren't changing them in a manner that prevents the room from being a dining room again if desired in the future.

    In my area, I don't think making changes like what your suggesting would add monetary value to my home (even though I personally would use the two rooms you're suggesting much more than a formal dining room).

    Salma Ayub thanked dani_m08
  • 4 months ago

    It's very hard to understand your plan. The inspo pics are nice, but what will it look like in practice? With your house and your windows? How will it change your entryway? Will it wall it off?


    You need a floor plan for us to comment effectively. What I see over and over is people tearing down walls, not adding them. What I'd consider is whether you can add storage in the dining room for less-often used items. Are you using the credenza currently?

    Salma Ayub thanked Sigrid
  • PRO
    4 months ago

    You can make your dining room multipurpose, but I doubt eliminating a dining room will add value to your home.






    Salma Ayub thanked BeverlyFLADeziner
  • PRO
    4 months ago

    It would downgrade the home and lose you more value that it cost. A butler's pantry needs a formal dining room attached to it, or it's useless.

    Salma Ayub thanked Minardi
  • PRO
    4 months ago

    You need to post more photos and ones of the kitchen as well. We also need dimensions of all the spaces involved. Do you have the type of home that has 2 living rooms? Are they close to or connected to the kitchen? Can you convert one of those? There are always lots of options, but we would need all the info to be able to give you the best ideas. There are some incredibly talented people on here that are willing to help and can see things from a different point of view.


  • 4 months ago
    last modified: 4 months ago

    My brother and SIL made their DR a butler’s pantry—added ovens, icemaker, beverage center, an island, etc. Their formal LR became the DR with a long custom table to accommodate all the kids and grands, who live nearby. Cooking for a crowd they wanted more useful space than the kitchen had, even though they have a large six burner stove. They have a nice size family room and never used the formal LR.

    They were not concerned with resale. They plan to stay in the house as long as possible and wanted it functional for their needs and the way they live Now.

    Salma Ayub thanked elluviga
  • 4 months ago

    I was planning to add a wall to enclose the walking in pantry. So yes there would be a half wall at entrance but there would be an openng and arched opening to the reading nook. What I am calling a butlers pantry is basicallly just an extention from the kitchen similar to picture with the arch. I like the idea of adding storage to dinning area and removing the existing furniture. I need more space for storage and I really wanted a reading/tea area but this is not my forever home so resale value is imprtant too. Thanks for all the insights. I am including more pics of the kitchen to create a better picture on what I am trying to create. Thanks in advance.


    The opening is to dining which I was planning to expand and arched and kept open into a pantry that would have same cabinets and quartz as kitchen.

    This is the existing breakfast area tgat would be bigger because the counter with pictures will be removed for better flow and bigger table.

    A wall would close off half the dining on rhe outside and inside of room. the half closer to windw would be the sitting area with arched entry reading room without any door.

  • 4 months ago

    Before you remodel to gain storage space, make sure that what you want to store are worth storing. I huge purge might be in order rather thant modifying your house.

  • 4 months ago

    There would be no formal dining only the breakfast room only.

  • 4 months ago

    Have you consulted an architect or designer to get real info about what can be done in your home? You can certainly make the DR as is into a reading space but as noted above a butler's pantry is for the DR use

  • 4 months ago
    last modified: 4 months ago

    This is what I would do. Paint the entire interior off white creamy color.





    Butler's pantry has to be adjacent to the dining room, and adjacent to the kitchen. You won't have a dining room. So, no point in doing that reno.

    Salma Ayub thanked JUDY GRAHAM
  • 4 months ago
    last modified: 4 months ago

    Your house is the style that people expect to have a formal dining room. Not just a breakfast area. For me, it would definitely be a deal breaker, not to have a dining room. I would not turn it into a pantry. You can repurpose it, if you dont use it, but, dont get rid of your table etc, and dont put any walls in it,because, if you decide to sell in the future, it should be all turned back to a dining room again, with furniture in it. Its not a great idea anyway.

    Salma Ayub thanked cat_ky
  • 4 months ago

    I'd first think about entirely redoing your kitchen so it has more storage. Eliminate the bay window and run cabinets all along that wall - either uppers and lowers. Or, just lowers and place regular windows above them with no uppers. Depending on how the adjacent sofa area is laid out you can rearrange that furniture to still have enough space to get a kitchen table in there.


    Then you can turn your dining room into a reading room. Add freestanding bookcases. Get rid of your dining room furniture and replace with comfortable places to sit. When you go to sell your home, remove the bookcases, restage it as a dining area. (Do you have somewhere else to store your dining room furniture? If not you can rent furniture for restaging.)


    I'm curious how you use your living room and if it can be turned into a readin area instead.



  • 4 months ago

    Market value of a home comes mainly from a calculation of price per square foot based on the neighborhood and general condition.


    Renovations cost more then you get back when you sell. The amount you spend needs to be balanced against the joy the renovation will bring you for the number of years you intend to live in the house.


    Without seeing a floor plan and understanding how your home functions it is really hard to try to provide options.


    From what I can see the kitchen does look cramped and doesn't look like it is the best layout, but I am not seeing pictures of the full space. I can't tell how much space you have for a larger table and I don't know if you even really need a table in the kitchen. Obviously you don't need two tables.


    Does the house have both a formal living room and family room? If so, do you need a formal living room? Do you actually sit and read and need a reading space other than the living spaces you already have or is this the only thing you could think of doing to fill in the space?


    Post a floorplan with accurate room measurements and all the windows and doorways marked.

    Tell us about your lifestyle. How many people are in the household. How often you sit down together for a meal? How often you entertain, if entertaining includes a sit down meal and if so how many people need to be seated when you do entertain?






    Salma Ayub thanked Jennifer Hogan
  • PRO
    4 months ago

    I would need to see a to scale floor plan to even begin to understand this idea.. A butlers pantry is a space between the kitchen and the dining room no other placement this term is misused all the time. I would never want to have my guests eat in my kitchen . Post the plan done on graph paer show us how the space is now with all windows, doorways and measurements of all spaces clearly marked . The another plan with the changes you want to make . Also done to same scale the new plan

    Salma Ayub thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • PRO
    4 months ago

    From the limited information you are giving us ( need dimensions and many more pictures - ideally a full first floor plan ) , my first instinct is that the kitchen is way too small for this size home. I would think about creating an arched wall between the kitchen and breakfast nook, then push into the old dining room to make the kitchen larger - not a butler's pantry and create your tea room. The old breakfast nook can then feel more like a dining room having that separation.


    You could probably do a larger round table that seats 8.

    But with out dimensions and more pictures - it is just too hard to say!

    Salma Ayub thanked Debbi Washburn