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Is this okay? Corner kitchen sink cabinet

20 days ago
last modified: 20 days ago







My contractor was able to find this corner cabinet but the door side is only 20 inches. it seems pretty small.

he said a 3 inch filler is fine but opening the dishwasher hits my leg. would the side of the sink cabinet door be okay if we move the dishwasher a few inches? or is that whole side no good?


edit:

i lost you guys haha. he ruined my corner cabinet and getting the cabinets alone isnt worth the price versus this other design. but now i need to change plumbing and electrical too. Im not paying full price for that though, no way


Comments (18)

  • 20 days ago

    Thank you! is the cabinet door side okay you think? its around 20 inches

  • 20 days ago
    last modified: 20 days ago

    It'll be tight for accessing the plumbing. You might be able to store some cutting boards under it and, possibly. a very small trash can, but probably not much else. (To store the cutting boards, you will need to utilize the deep corner sides.) I had a corner prep sink in my previous house. It was in a 36" corner sink cabinet similar to yours.

    FYI...you really need more than 3" of filler b/w the sink cabinet and the DW. 12" is the bare minimum and 18" is better. Can you switch the DW with the cabinet I see on the right?

    How big a sink are you putting in the sink base? A 42" corner sink base would have been better.


    My setup:


    It had a 15.5" square sink in the sink base.

    I couldn't stand at the sink when the MW was open, but since I didn't need to use the sink when opening/closing the MW, it wasn't an issue. If it had been a DW, that would have been a very different story!

    I tried this at first - but it didn't last long!


    I removed the trash can b/c it kept opening when the door was closed & stayed open (it was one that opened automatically when you approached it.) It also had to be removed to get to the cutting boards and, finally, I thought it was unsanitary so close to the cutting boards.

    Looking at it from an angle so you can see the left side inside of the sink base.


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  • 20 days ago
    last modified: 20 days ago

    @Buehl thank you! I figured it was too small but i dont want to redesign my whole kitchen since we are renovating already.

    i was thinking to switch the drawers (18”) but wouldnt my dishwasher need its own water supply?

  • 20 days ago

    I think you can still access the water & sink from 18" away. Check with a plumber or maybe someone on the Forum knows for certain.

  • 20 days ago
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    The NKBA's Guidelines state there should be at least 21" of standing space between the edge of the DW and counter frontage/appliances/cabinets which are placed at a right angle to the DW. The 21" is measured from the center of the sink to the edge of the DW door.


  • 20 days ago

    @Buehl yeah i was hoping it was close enough for the water, but wasnt sure if it was worth to move right now if the sink cabinet door is too small anyways.

    thanks for sending the guideline! i really dont get how my contractor said 3” of filler is enough haha.

  • PRO
    20 days ago

    Fortunately you've got fillers on each side of the cabinet which will allow you to hack the cabinet sides in order to be able to pull the sink forward. (No, it doesn't hurt the structrual integrity of the cabinet.) If you don't, you'll have 7" or so between the countertop edge and the sink. You want about 4" at most.

    T A thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • 20 days ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC thank you! my contractor is planning to cut the sides to pull the sink forward but I’m pushing for a wider cabinet size for now.

  • 20 days ago
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    For me that corner sink cabinet is too small/tight. This is why most people hate corner sinks as they usually aren't done in a size that works for most people.

    This is the corner sink cabinet we did in my previous kitchen. Gave enough space in front of the sink and allowed the 30" sink to come forward.

    The trash cabinet should be on the right, before the dishwasher. In the photo my dishwasher is paneled and is the half cabinet you see on the far right. Plenty of room to stand at the sink and place items in the DW.




    T A thanked chispa
  • 20 days ago

    I have a sink to the left of my corner cabinet and a dishwasher on the right of my corner cabinet. My corner cabinet is larger than yours. The plumbing runs through the corner cabinet to the sink and it works just fine. You can absolutely add a bank of drawers to the right and then place the dishwasher.


    You are allowing your contractor to be too much in charge of this process. Tell them the size door opening you want, tell them the layout you want. The current one is totally unacceptable.


    i dont want to redesign my whole kitchen since we are renovating already.


    You certainly don't want to redesign it after you renovate. :) Now or never.


    I really dont get how my contractor said 3” of filler is enough haha.


    I get it. It is magical contractor thinking. The "sure it works" because they say it works, because they don't want to spend the time hunting down the correct cabinet, they want to be done with your job and move on to the next one. BUT, do I blame the contractor? No. It sounds like you are asking them to do your designing and shopping for you. Are they getting paid for that? Are they skilled at that? Likely no and no.



    T A thanked Kendrah
  • 20 days ago

    @Kendrah thank you! i actually designed my kitchen already with my requirements. i am also paying my contractor to source the cabinets as that is in my contract with them. he did tell me he found a corner cabinet and would put the 3” filler on the side but did not specify all the dimensions (which i should have asked for i agree). i trusted him and saw how small that door actually was. he didnt even find the minimum corner cabinet we requested but again i trusted his solution as hes got more experience.


    but you are correct i did let him have too much control over my kitchen.

  • 20 days ago

    i actually designed my kitchen already with my requirements.


    Did your design specify the size of the cabinets, the door openings, the amount of space between sink and dishwasher? If not, then you are actually letting the contractor design the kitchen. It is a pretty common pitfall that a lot of people who post on houzz fall into. "The contractor has more experience" so they go with what the contractor recommends. But contractors are not designers and actually often don't know best how to create a kitchen that functions well.


    Did you give your contractor requirements for sourcing the cabinets? Did you look into what brands, their longevity, their warranty, and reviews of the cabinet company?

  • 20 days ago

    I think a corner sink is a future disappointment. I would not purchase a home with a corner sink unless Imcould budget in a kitchen remodel.

  • 20 days ago
    last modified: 20 days ago

    I just noticed your edit. That blind corner seems a waste of storage space and I wonder about how well your overall kitchen was designed. Are you maximizing storage and workspace flow? Maybe your space is large enough with enough storage that you don't need to worry about getting every bit of storage out of it. But, I much prefer that you are getting the sink out of the corner having your dishwasher next to it.


    Where is your trash going?

  • 19 days ago

    It might be time for "The Talk" with your Contractor. What's "The Talk"? It's a talk with your Contractor (or Kitchen Designer or anyone else working on your Kitchen or home) to correct "misconceptions" about who is in charge.

    "The Talk" goes something like this...


    I understand you think my kitchen design (or whatever) should be the way you like it (or is easier/less expensive to do). However, this is my home and my kitchen. You will finish up here and leave. I, however, have to live with and work in the final kitchen every day for many years to come - you will never see it again nor will you have to work in it.

    I designed my kitchen for very specific reasons, each component has been fully thought out. Please respect my needs and wants and the design as agreed upon.


    You may also have to add (hopefully not!): I am the one paying for this, not you.

    Do not add this last sentence unless you absolutely have to!


    Stand firm. Be assertive. Don't let anyone steamroll over you or go behind your back to someone else (e.g., a significant other).

    ----

    I had to have "The Talk" with both my KD & Contractor at some point. One thing...don't have "The Talk" with other people like employees around...do it out of earshot of others. You don't want to embarrass or otherwise undermine your Contractor's authority w/their employees...if you do, it leads to more problems. In my case, they moved things around and re-designed certain things without consulting me b/c they thought they knew better than me (they didn't, for the record). All issues were eventually resolved (primarily - changed to reflect the agreed upon design - at no charge).

    I added that ALL changes had to go through me and that if there was an issue, I was to be part of the team resolving the issues and that I had the final say as to how to resolve the issue. I welcomed all input and listened carefully, but in the end I had the final say.

    ----

    In addition:

    You will also need to enforce this when issues come up...tell them to contact you immediately if any problems/issues arise. Tell them you want to be consulted regarding any solutions to these problems/issues, they are not to do it on their own. GCs, architects, KDs, etc. often think they know best...but they do not always. If you have different ideas on how to solve a problem, ask them why yours won't work or why they prefer theirs (it's usually b/c it's easier & cheaper to do it their way, regardless of the outcome functionally or aesthetically.)

    As for a cost/benefit analysis of your idea and theirs. Note that if they don't want to do what you want, they will sometimes overprice it so much that either (1) you won't want to pay for it or (2) they'll make a killing if you decide to go for it. I had that experience...but I solved that problem by having an outside person (plumber, in my case) come in and give me ideas & estimates. My GC quoted me $4,800 to solve a plumbing issue...I got estimates ranging from $550 to $1,200 from independent plumbers...I went with the "middle" one at $950. And they did it less intrusively than the GC's plumber planned.

    GCs & similar often figure you'll just want to get done and agree to anything...especially as time passes.

    Do NOT develop the attitude of "I just want it done" or "I'm too tired to fight anymore" etc. Those and similar attitudes lead to future unhappiness.

    T A thanked Buehl
  • 19 days ago

    @Kendrah @Buehl Thank you guys. Honestly these comments are just making me more and more confident in my decisions.

    I’m an engineer, not a contractor. I gave him my kitchen layout and whatever he saw was not possible (now that I think about it, it was not to his preference instead haha). We had an entire discussion beforehand prior to purchasing any cabinets and he stated that he found the corner cabinet and needs 3” filler to drop in our sink and get to our 42” requirement. This whole entire time we have been discussing measurements from wall to end of cabinet (aka how much space the cabinet should take up the wall). He has all of a sudden decided to start measuring the middle of the cabinet, the width. He needed to tell me where he was measuring from and if he wasn’t going to meet my customer requirement then he needed to tell me that.

    I have had ”The Talk” with him this morning and God I wish I recorded our conversations (my mess up on not doing that). I am either forcing him to take partial responsibilty for now or I will figure out the corner cabinet myself, do the plumbing, electrical and drywall fixes through someone else and bring him back to finish the rest of the kitchen.


    I need to have a conversation with him in person to calmly explain the situation and where I need him to step up. I won’t be happy with the blind corner but now I don’t trust him to fix the corner cabinet if he doesn’t like it to begin with.


    (PS that photo has a 36” and 18” cabinet at the end…. total for that wall if I add it up is 138”, not the 112” in that space haha) I can no longer trust his measurements at this point.


    Again I really appreciate you all! Your comments are giving me a lot more confidence to go up head to head with someone with much more experience than me and a lot older too.


    This was my work around to fix what he broke lol (not a total fix but gets the job done for me at least haha) he told me it wont work though.



  • 19 days ago

    @Kendrah i forgot to answer your question for the trash. it will be next to the stove. right after the blind cabinet (if we go with that option)