What ever grows well in your garden. My dogs eat just about any veggie rom our garden.
They live on veggie soups in the winter. With brown rice, lentels and other split peas and beans.

Any green bean or carrot is fine.
They should not eat raisins, or large quantities of grapes or onions.

Lilies are toxic to cats-any amounts-even a few grains of pollen can be fatal.

My dog would eat all our scraps except green beans - he was too good for them.

I feed my dogs all raw meat, bones, and vegetables.. I have a Doberman and a pitbull. Why does your dog need to be on a diet? When people say onions and grape are toxic for dogs, then you hear stories of people owning a vineyard and their dog would eat tons of grapes, it make you wonder how true that is.. Some people would even tell you that raw meat and bone is harmful, I laugh at them, showing a picture of my dogs! Is your dog sick or somethin for the special diet? What are you feeding him now? My pitbull had cancer and he's fine now, that's when I learned about raw meat and bones for the dogs.. Hope your dogs OK.

Joe

Most vets recommend science diet which is all GMO corn because they get enough money from their sponsorship, it's all about money.. Your food is better that most but still isn't that good.. The top 5 ingredients are mainly grains and beet pulp, which dogs shouldn't eat to much grain.. If i wa you I would look into BARF diet for dogs.. Especially being a vet, you should know this stuff... I don't mean to burst your bubble and give you a hard time, I just want to inform you and do the best for your dogs.. My brother thinks natural balence dog food is so good, it's similar to yours, but his dogs always have problems.. My dogs never went to the vet besides for mandatory shots.. Check out prey model diet and biologically appropriate raw foods for dogs...

As for a safe pesticide - the safest thing is not using a pesticide.. But if you insist.. Aerated compost tea works decent, some use dry milk, and some do baking soda solution.. Neem oil works good.. What i found to work the best is a fermented garlic and water, strain and mist on plants.. It keeps all animals out! There's lot of organic pesticides out on the market, but i an skeptical and I don't really know if it's safe.. I much rather make it myself!

Good luck,
Joe

Why do you want hybrid beans, I don't think there is many hybrid beans, most if not all of them are open pollinated.

My dogs get yogurt and steamed carrots with their dry dog food every day, and loving them. Sometimes I add some peas, barley/oatmeal, and pumpkin but they are not that crazy about the latter.

I'm not sure why I haven't tried beans yet, considering I'm buried in beans every summer. Have to try it this summer!

I don't know of any vets recommending any dog food that has corn in it.
My vet recommends corn free as a minimum and grain free as even better.

I grow bush beans just because they are space savers-I don't get great yields from them though.
What about feeding your dog snow peas? Awsome yields from very easy to grow plants. And they are an early spring crop so they are finishing right about the time the beans go in.

Funny, all the vets around me load up on science diet, that's the only food they sell at the vets! Dog food kebble is just another monopoly... Follow the money and you'll see.. I would rather feed my dog what he's supposed to be eating - raw meat/organs and bones. That's a whole other thread..

Have you fed your dog uncooked green beans before? I used to supplement my previous dog's food with canned green beans for the same reason you do...but he wouldn't touch them fresh.

My dogs have a plan, if its not eating you it is food. They will sit in the row waiting for their share when I pick beans. They dig their own carrots from their row, they pick corn ,peal it and lay on the lawn to eat. I will have to teach them to put the cobbs in the compost pile. They pick their own blueberrys, blackberrys and rasberrys . Squirlls are a tug of war to see who gets the biggest piece. We do feed them dog food but they are JRT's they don't know how to just walk.

Back to variety suggestions...

For green beans, as others have said, these aren't hybrid. Basically any packet of green bean seeds you first put your hands on will be fine; there aren't really any dud varieties. Your most importance decision is selecting a pole or bush variety. Pole beans will require a support to grow on.

As for carrots, hybrids do exist, but for your use you don't need to worry about that. I'd recommend Danvers for the first time carrot grower...an old variety that still yields well.

And for pesticides, you may not need them at all. Beans and carrots aren't quite the pest magnets some other vegetables are. If you're growing beans and carrots where they haven't been grown recently, you'll probably be fine. I've never felt the need to use pesticides on my beans and carrots. (Squash on the other hand...that's always my top insect smorgasbord!)

I haven't given my dogs fresh veggies. The raw veggies that accidentally find their ways from kitchen counter to floor do not appeal to them. But they love frozen peas and steamed carrot, steamed sweet potato, and canned pumpkin puree.

First of all, I never said I was a vet. I work at a vet hospital and Verus is a great natural food. All these companies care about is money anymore. They haven't had a problem with the food and have been on it many years.

I just didn't want to buy the canned kind for them anymore because the fresh ones are better. Which is better and produce more? Pole or bush?

Most pole varieties produce more, but need a little more work (trellising/etc).

Fortex is a general go-to variety for production and ease for most people.

Science diet is only good if the dog has medical issues. They have dental, diabetic, gastro, urinary etc. other than that there is still crap in it and its not natural. Won't use that kind of food unless I really have to honestly.

But I didn't sign up on gardenweb to be lectured about pet food. So thanks to everyone who actually have me answers to my actual question :-) thanks!

Science diet gives dogs health issues, not help the dogs issues.. Natural hold no weight now a days,it means nothing.. High fructose corn mercury is natural.. Sorry for "lecturing" you.. I just care for animals.. My pitbull got cancer from kebble.. Dont want that to be another animal.. You might want to try that garlic spray if you have deer problems,etc..

Joe

Yet 10s of millions of dogs eat kibble every day for their entire long lives without getting sick...

Let's apply some "real world" to this...or rather, talk about green beans for dogs.

That's true.. But that don't change the fact that dogs are not made to eat Kebble, it has only been around for a century or so, much like the pharmaceuticals .. Yes we could survive with it, but the quality of overall health is the downside. I'm sure my dog is not the only one who got cancer from that crap.. You'll be much better feeding him green beans.. Anyways, this is going to blow up in a huge controversy.. Nevermind..

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Just...nevermind...

I made my green bean suggestion...I'm not going to get sucked into another thread derailing.

This post was edited by nc-crn on Tue, Apr 2, 13 at 20:22

Yeah because you are judging me for what I feed my dog. Verus is great food and they've been on it since I've had them. They have no health concerns at this time. And pitbulls get cancer all the time. You are degrading me and telling me that just cause I'm not feeding them raw products or whatever you are feeding your pets I am wrong. And just so you know, dogs are not wolves and they cannot stomache alot of the raw prodcits anymore because they have been so domesticated. I love my animals very much and trust me if they have health concerns they are well taken care of. Don't judge me .

I am sure green beans are good for them, and it is good that you feed them no grains, but if you have the space, there are other, easier to pick vegetables that will keep them strong. For example sweet potatoes and pumpkins or winter squash. Parsnips are more productive per square foot than carrots, and there are very large roots such as manger that can be stored in the garage for months.

The problem with green beans is that you have to harvest them every day, or every second day, then you have to blanch them and freeze them. My trellises produce 1 to 2lbs a day, and it is work. On the contrary, you pick all the pumpkins in a single morning in October, store them in the house for a year (not in the freezer), and you can bake a pumpkin at a time and feed them several days with it. Same for root crops, except that mangers need to be stored in the garage for the winter. And these foods also provide more calories, green beans are roughage for them.

In fact, you can get ahead by just asking friends to donate their Halloween uncarved pumpkins. Now that's easy gardening!

No no no, I am not judging you .. You mentioned your dog was on a special diet and normally thats because of some kind of health problem.. I was simply recommending the raw meat and bones diet because it cured my dog of cancer and I thought your dog would benefit as well..

I'm very sorry for any misunderstandings,
Joe

Raw diets don't cure animals of cancer. Where did you get that info?and all I said was my dogs are both on Verus opticoat for their skin. I have a Pitbull and a chihuahua. My chihuahua is fat lol I have been adding green beans and carrots into his food and he loves it. I just wanted to grow my own. End of story...

Raw strongly believes what he wants to believe about disease, oncology, and health based upon his own beliefs...which frequently favor emotions and his own chosen "health" advisers that are quite out of the mainstream.

His "strong beliefs" (which he doesn't realize comes off as preaching sometimes, and other times he sees as vital information worthy of the preaching) seem to pop up a lot.

Sometimes you gotta take it for what it is...and try not to get roped into a dead-end discussion when you're being preached at rather than working out information and ideas.

This post was edited by nc-crn on Tue, Apr 2, 13 at 22:46

Nccrm - I think you want to believe what you want to believe.. Do you think I make all this up in my head? I know this from experience and others experience.. Sometimes you have to have an open mind and take them blinders off and drop the skeptics and research yourself.. I at least have some advice, the only thing I see you doing is knocking someone else because of their radical thinking.. Do some thorough reasech before you start Beating me down.. Maybe some of my "preaching" has truth to it ...

"raw diets don't cure dog from cancer, where to you he this from" my own experience! And many others! Research prey model diet or BARF diet.. You'll see tons of testimonials.. It's actually my brothers pitbull and my brother is always working.. And I felt bad for the poor dog so inalways drove a half an hour to take him for a walk.. For several weeks everytime i walked in he was gasping for air.. He couldn't breath.. He would peuke up this thick phelgm mucus.. And have orange diaherra( the kebble was orange) Then he had a tumor on his face and got it removed.. That's when I said enough is enough, I can't let this dog die alone... So I took him in and started researching about healing dogs, or at least helping them.. That's when i found out about raw food and bones.. I started feeding him raw meat bones and raw vegetables an fruit.. And from then on, he stopped peuking, he could finally breath and walk! And his diaherra cleared up and was not orange! No more tumors... Im so glad.. I knew this dog for more than a decade! He is like my brother! That's the reason I was sharing my story so possibly other dogs could benefit from it as well... Anyways.. I'm sorry for my stearn preaching, I don't mean to come off like that.. I'm sorry..

Joe

"I at least have some advice, the only thing I see you doing is knocking someone else because of their radical thinking."

me - advised on greenbeans and gave a suggestion of variety...aka, what the subject of this thread is about

you - discussion about how raw diets cure cancer, how kibble is bad when it wasn't brought up, and yet another thread where you're preaching at people and apologizing afterward

Yeah raw is just iffy in many reasons- parasites being number 1. I don't know. I don't trust that diet. Sorry. But everyone has their own opinions. And I respect that. Just don't knock other people's hope down making them feel like sh*t cause they aren't doing what you are doing. It's awful.

But on a better note- if I do pole beans I new a trellis and if its bush can I do like a giant pot? Carrots are obviously going to be in my garden bed where it is deep. Pumpkin didn't grow at all for me last yeah because the heat was so hot it killed my flowers before they could be pollinated. :-( same as for my melons. I would love to grow squash too for the dogs if they'll eat it. What kind or hybrid is best? And sweet potatoes? What kind is best for those too? Thanks! :-D

If you're doing bush beans in a pot...a 12" pot will hold 3-4 bush beans...3 is probably better than 4, though, for plant health.

That said, only 3-4 plants won't get you a lot of beans.

Beans are notorious small producers on the scale of a "meal/side dish" serving per plant. The reason I do pole beans is because I can put a whole lot in a small amount of space.

Squash takes up a lot of space...1 in a pot if you go that route and it'll probably spill over the side of the pot. Unless you need a really quick maturing or rather compact variety of squash, almost any one will do. Yellow Crookneck or Early Prolific Straightneck is cheap and easy to obtain seed...and the squashes are rather tender. I'm not familiar with any of the hybrid "bred to be smaller" types because I don't use them.

For best squash pollination you're going to want to have multiple plants, too...at least 2-4.

This post was edited by nc-crn on Tue, Apr 2, 13 at 23:46

Hmm. Ill definitely have to try that. We live in a Rowe home so the only space we have is on the side of the house. We did 3 long garden beds and on the right I have a bunch of potted stuff. Not exactly sure where I could put a trellis though. Ill have to have the boyfriend build it for me lol wish me luck lol :-) thanks!

Im not familiar with any hybrids, I grow all heirlooms.. If you need ideas for a trellis let me know.. I built a really sturdy PVC trellis for watermelons and heavy fruit..Trellising vines like squash, cucumber, melons,etc is ideal, especially if you have limited space.. Trellising let's the plants recieve better airflow and sunlight.. Good luck trying to feed the pooches squash, my pit is very picky.. On the other hand my Doberman puppy would eat anything..

Here is a link of a great book about dog health..

Best of luck!
Joe

Here is a link that might be useful: Dog Health

FYI Three of the BARF raw dog foods were recalled this month for salmonella. My vet sees a lot of salmonella and e coli as the result of feeding raw diet. Raw diet almost killed a friends Yorkies. I don't want to handle raw meat myself given the recent inspection incidents. Green beans and carrots are a great idea. I think I'll raise my own. Gotta be good. I like to add a little cooked homemade diet to kibble, especially carrots.

I have 3 dogs different breeds and they love vegetables! raw and cooked. I grow a type of broccolini for them, carrots, beans I give them cooked in their meal with cooked sweet potatoes. Everything from my own garden.

About the beans question, I prefer the pole varieties because they produce for a longer time but I also grow bush. Most varieties do very well for me.

One of my dogs having a snack

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Actually if it's hot there in the summer time, one good producer is zucchini. Though it may take up a good part of your space, its production sometimes makes up for it, compared to the slow carrots per sq ft.

I just want to say that before I was a stay at home mom and homesteader I was in the veterinary field for 10 years.

Please do not feed your dogs onions, grapes, rasins, pork products, or bones!!!

Onions and grapes are toxic.

Pork products are too high in fat for their pancreas. You can give your dog a mean case of pancreatitis.

Bones can get stuck in their stomachs and cause septic shock and an expensive surgery.

Green beans are awesome for doggies on a dier though!

Boy, have dogs evolved away from wolves. They now can no longer eat some meats, and bones, when their wild cousins

a) first eat the parts of a kill which are highest in nutrients, such as the fatback, offal and entrails

b) patiently chew through femurs for a long time to get at the marrow.

c) eat no veggies except the occasional grass mouthful for intestinal regulation

But the no calories, no fat green beans are great for modern dogs!
In my case, 45+ years of dogs getting bones and pork have produced no fatalities, not to mention those bones and entrails they provide for themselves by catching birds or rabbits. Perhaps it is the larger breeds, or the quality of the meat, or I am lucky.

Glib - sounds exactly like my dogs! You wouldn't believe the bones they chew through, even my 9 month old Doberman! I got to post a picture.. But there is so much misinformation out there it's crazy.. Especially from someone who been in the vet field for a decade.. What are they teaching you? Bones are a superfood for dogs.. Cooked bones - is where the problems arose from.. Raw bones are one of the best things to feed the dogs, along with tripe and other organs... If you think a few of the BARF products that had recalls even compare to the kibble industry, you got something to research... Plus that has nothing to do with dogs and raw meat and bones.. That has to do with the agriculture and sluaghterhouse.. I make all my dog food, so I have nothing to worry about.. My butche gives me boxes of free bones, deer ribcages,etc.. My dogs love them... Try and tell them its harmful for them, they'll think your smoking something in vet school... Don't mean to offend anyone but pick up a few book about raw meat and bone for dogs.. You might learn more than you did in them 10 years in vet school...

Joe

"But there is so much misinformation out there it's crazy.. Especially from someone who been in the vet field for a decade.. What are they teaching you?"

This is one of your major issues.

With no formal education...no field experience...your observations are valid, but someone else's is not only not valid...it's misinformation being taught to others by some conspiracy of the educated.

This isn't the first post where you've dismissed others by saying your experience is golden, but someone else's information...especially if they actually work in a given field or have experience in a formal setting...is a product of tainted establishment misinformation.

There's still people out there that think the Earth is flat based on what they've observed with their own eyes. It doesn't make it correct.

Plus you constantly insult people...only to follow it up by insisting it's a misunderstanding later...usually with an apology that increasingly seems to mean very little.

This post was edited by nc-crn on Wed, Apr 3, 13 at 14:56

Ok can't do raw vet won't support because of his experience with so many cases of salmonella. Evo has been recalled and don't want any P&G product anyway. 6 year old French bulldog with gastritis, tested for everything else. Did poorly on Orijen loose stools etc. Other FB. died at 6 this year due to a rare form of skin lymphoma. Genetic, dogs unrelated but she ate Orijen. So what's Canadian and safe? I can cook for him as an additive to his kibble he won't touch rice even cooked in. If he smells it he refuses it all. Help. Oh and we know that FB is an iffy breed-mutt next time. Mary

But a good question would be, if evolution is such a pillar of the biological sciences, why in the world would dogs have become vegetarians with a handful of artificial food thrown in. I do not see it and I do not believe it, no matter the diplomas on the wall. I can believe that modern meat is horrible, the chemicals, the fat composition, you name it. But no animal will thrive on a diet he did not evolve on.

Ncrnm - we could argue all day, it's not going to get us no where.. You keep insisting i insult people, and perhaps it does come out insulting, but that is not my intentions.. I am trying to help people not insult them.. What else do you want to argue about?m, it gets us no where.. Waste of time..

Tuggy: I feel for you, I can relate... If you don't believe in raw and your vet is so against it.. What does your vet recommend? If I was you I would at least get some books and research raw meat and bones for dogs, instead of
disregarding one what could possibly be the only help for your dogs.. I can tell you I been feeding my dogs raw for quite some time, never had worms, parasite, never is sick.. It's the best thing I could do for th dogs! "give your dog a bone.." is a good book.. Just research on the web "prey model diet" "BARF" diet" look at the testimonials... I'm telling you, it does work.. Although it could be expensive starting out, but if you get cool with your butcher he could possibly give you dogs scraps for free.. Thats what I do.. Paying a buck or two for a pound of meat gets pretty expensive... The best thing I could tell you is do some research..

Best of luck,
Joe

I was wondering why the subject of green beans for dogs was so... popular...

What I have gleaned so far: green bean variety doesn't matter when you are feeding them to your dogs, and facts no longer exist.

I do find the grape/onion thing confusing since we had many dogs that lived to good old ages that would habitually help themselves to both. How is it that no one has yet said "some dogs are sensitive to these" instead of "all dogs will die from these"?

To go back on topic: a bean trellis doesn't have to be a major project, part of the reason they are called pole beans is because they will readily wrap around a slender pole. You can make a teepee with bamboo poles pretty easily, and if the chiuaha is the only one eating the beans, grow more than enough.

Ok I bought both pole and bush kind today. Wish me luck lol :-)

Sorry i went off topic. Turned out it was Instinct not Orijen we went off of. I'll look at Pure vita. Yes green beans are in the future along with carrots and the like. Still looking for the forum that discusses food successes. Bye and thanks for the input.