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Screening Turface

16 years ago

Al (AKA tapla) has often emphasized, with justification, the importance of screening the Turface in the gritty mix, in order to improve the drainage of the medium. I have no theoretical problem with that, but it does raise a couple of questions. First, with 36 14" pots to fill with the gritty mix, I find the prospect of screening the required amount of Turface physically daunting. So I wonder what some clever folks might suggest to help me deal with this problem.What methods might be used to realistically handle this mountain of of medium? Is there any chance that the fines can be washed out of the pots (which will have screening over the drainage holes) by vigorously flushing the filled pots with water? Second, in a miniature experiment, I screened about a cupful of Turface through insect screen (I could manage that), and obtained about 10% of fines. Has anyone performed a similar experiment, and has the yield been about the same?

Comments (11)

  • 16 years ago

    I've build a 2x2' sieve/screen of 1x4s, aluminum insect screen stapled to the bottom, and a couple of handles on it. I screen somewhere around 6-7 bags of Turface each year using this. It takes about 15 min per bag and I usually do a bag here & there and stockpile the screened product.

    I think trying to wash it out wouldn't be very effective because the small particles would cause the product as a whole to become rather cohesive because of the water's surface tension.

    The fine fraction varies by bag or lot, but I usually get between 1/5-1/3 fines when I screen it.

    Al

  • 16 years ago

    I built one similar to tapla's with a one half inch hardware cloth bottom. I insert any screen of a smaller opening size on top of the half inch screen. Makes it easy to change sizes without building more boxes. Al

  • 16 years ago

    The responses (gratefully noted) of the two Als prompted me to repeat my miniature screening operation, using all the care I could muster, and the result again showed a fines volume of less than 10%, confirming tapla's comment that the proportion of fines varies from bag to bag (at least, from tapla's bag to my bag). I also tested tapla's conjecture that washing theTurface [under a faucet] wouldn't be very effective means of eliminating the fines. Here, too, my result substantiated tapla's comment (alas). The volume obtained by washing was only about 25% of what could be obtained by mechanical sifting of the dry Turface. So it looks like I'll be facing a strenuous Spring.

  • 16 years ago

    Neemo do you own a leaf blower? I made a box out of 1x3s. I covered front, back, and sides with aluminum insect screen " Screwed a top on it. Then I just blew the fines out. You just need a place in your yard to blow them. filix.

  • 16 years ago

    Very interesting - and innovative! ;o)

    Al

  • 16 years ago

    Calistoga Al, please help me envision your setup. What is hardware cloth? I also am completely baffled about the 1/2 inch reference. I'm not so good at visualizing things from words, unfortunately.

  • 16 years ago

    Ingenious solution, filix. I don't happen to own a leaf blower, but I have a couple of neighbors whom I wouldn't mind covering in Turface fines. (:-D).

    Seriously, though, I believe I'll use a modification of the method described by the two Als. I already have a framed 3' x 3' screen of hardware cloth. Putting an insect screen over that (a la calistoga Al) and setting the frame on my wheelbarrow and tossing shovelfuls of Turface on the screen should, I hope, do the job.

    Ned (AKA nemo2009)

  • 16 years ago

    Hardware cloth is the name given to welded wire screening available in many sizes. The size specified indicates the size of the openings in the wire which controls how large an object will pass through it. My box I have mounted on a angle iron frame with springs allowing movement between the box and the frame. Mounted on the wooden box is a vibrator motor salvaged from a foot vibrator(often available at garage sales). The angle iron frame slips onto the loader on my tractor letting me shovel into the box as it vibrates. It has worked well for five years, and I have a spare vibrator motor ready, when it stops. Al

  • 16 years ago

    Let em have it! cover em! Fire in the hole :>)

  • 16 years ago

    Al and Al...either of you wonderful guys have a picture you can share with us "visual" people? Thanks so much!

    You know what they say...a picture is worth a thousand words!!

  • 16 years ago

    Calistoga Al, that helps me a lot. I can't begin to create that, but now I have a basic understanding.

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