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Conifers for Alabama

18 years ago

Hi to all, I am planning to order some plants from Stanley and Sons. As that I have trouble keeping my abies & piceas straight, maybe the people here can help, by telling me if the conifers that IÂm considering will grow in my area.

I live in North Central Alabama, about 50 miles/80.47 kilometers northwest of Birmingham. The soil is mostly red clay. Hot & dry in the summer. The skinny conifers kind of upset me, so let me know if any on my list are narrow in width.

Abies cilicica

Abies firma `Golden Hue'

Abies koreana `Horstmann Silberlocke'

Abies nebrodensis X Umbellata

Abies pinsapo `Horstmann Nana'

Chamaecyparis nootkatensis `Aldrich Mt.'

Chamaecyparis obtusa `Confucious'

Chamaecyparis obtusa `Gimborns Beauty

Chamaecyparis obtusa `Splitrock'

Cryptomeria japonica `Pouakai'

Cryptomeria japonica `Jindai

Juniperus chinensis `Shoosmith'

Picea pungens `Glauca Fat Albert'

Picea pungens `RH Montgomery'

Pinus bungeana

Pinus densiflora `Burke's Red Variegated'

Pinus flexilis `Extra Blue'

Pinus koraiensis `Oculus Draconis'

Pinus parviflora `Templehof'

Pinus wallichiana `Zebrina'

Sequoia sempervirens `Soquel'

Thuja occidentalis `Wansdyke Silver'

Thank, Joyce

Comments (5)

  • 18 years ago

    A quick look at your list indicates that most of these are trees that normally grow at more northern latitudes and that will probably not do well in the warm, humid south, especially where the drainage is not good. There are species with similar colors and textures you will want to consider such as the Podocarps, Chinese fir, Araucarias, some yews, and other pines from more southern latitudes. The list goes on and is quite extensive.

  • 18 years ago

    Joyce-
    Tough question for us in the south and the answer is always dependent on culture/conditions. I'm in middle TN and have killed my fair share of plants for stretching zones but have a good collection going, nonetheless. My best advice would be to go to the local botanical gardens and see what is doing well there. I was at the Huntsville Botanical Garden this past weekend and they have a large number of conifers doing very well there.
    The other thing i would say about hot/humid is that I have had some success with things that should not grow here by placing them in morning sun/afternoon shade - also by planting in raised beds to ensure great drainage for certain species. Do your homework on cultural requirements.
    Also, you cannot get away without supplemental water in Birmingham - no way. And conifers won't tell you they're thirsty until its too late..when you see brown in the summer in the south, you're on your way to death real fast - you have to stay on top of the water situation in the south.
    That said, forget about Abies unless they are firma or grafted onto firma - certain death otherwise, sooner or later.
    Chamaecyparis and Cryp's do very well for me with the exception of Cham. lawsoniana - they will die without great drainage and attention to moisture levels on the roots. I have 4 or 5 doing well in raised beds but they can deep-six on you anytime....obtusas and pisiferas do very well for me and seem to tolerate clay very well for the most part.
    Juniperus, picea, pinus, thuja, taxodium all do well for me here but do pay attention to sunburn issues, etc. Your sun in Birmingham will blast a sun-sensitive conifer faster than it will in the midwest - my matra is THINK MORNING SUN...works for me.
    Please don't let any of this scare you away from taking some chances - I see things around and say "what the @!??? - that's not supposed to grow here!" Plant people will always stretch to see what they can get away with and it's cool when you can do something that you thought was not possible.
    Good luck and post your successes!
    Zack

  • 18 years ago

    Pasadena & zack, Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I have more homework to do before I make a decision. The info on zones is sometimes conflicting, so I thought if I select plants that do well in zone 8, they may live. But the first frost arrived about a month early this year. Would that harm a zone 8 conifer?
    I saw few conifers at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens, when I visited some time ago. I remember seeing a Chamaecyparis pisifera filifera, Juniperus chinensis "Hollywood", and a group of Taxodium distichum.
    Some day I would love to go see the Huntsville Botanical Gardens. Husband & I are building a new house, we would like to be finish before the end of 2009.
    As for supplemental water, I have been gathering info on rainwater harvesting & cisterns. Plan to work this into the new house. I didn't know that some people use rainwater for all needs.
    Just renewed my membership in the American Conifers Society for the third year.
    Some conifers that I have are:
    Cedrus deodora "Kashmir", `Divinely Blue'& 'Albo-Spica'
    Chamaecyparis obtusa 'Nana Gracilis'
    Chamaecyparis thyoides "Heather Bun"
    Cryptomeria japonica "Yoshino", 'Black Dragon'
    Cupressus arizonica "Blue Ice", "Carolina Sapphire"
    Juniperus chinensis "Hollywood"
    Juniperus excelsa "Stricta Variegata"
    Juniperus sabina 'Tamariscifolia'
    Juniperus scopulorum "Pathfinder"
    Juniperus virginiana ' Manhattan Blue'
    Picea orientalis
    Thuja occidentalis 'Nigra', ÂEmerald GreenÂ, "Yellow Ribbon"
    Thuja plicata  ZebrinaÂ
    These are planted between our current house and the new house, about 400 ft away & up three terraces. Sort of a privacy screen, as the current house will be a rental unit when we move to the new house. Still plenty of planting area along the driveway, with morning sun, just have watch out for the power lines.
    Later, Joyce

  • 18 years ago

    I am in NashvilleÂThis is my humble opinion.

    Abies cilicica  Probably. If the soil isnÂt too bad. i.e. Heavy, heavy clay.
    Abies firma `Golden Hue' - Yes, if grafted on firma
    Abies koreana `Horstmann Silberlocke' Â Yes, if grafted on firma
    Abies nebrodensis X Umbellata - ???
    Abies pinsapo `Horstmann Nana' Â Yes, if grafted on firma
    Chamaecyparis nootkatensis `Aldrich Mt.' Â I have trouble with nootkatensis but I have seen plenty of nice ones locally. Probably.
    Chamaecyparis obtusa `Confucious' Â Yes, Chamaecyparis obtusa should do fine. Extra water may been needed.
    Chamaecyparis obtusa `Gimborns Beauty
    Chamaecyparis obtusa `Splitrock'
    Cryptomeria japonica `Pouakai' - Yes, Cryptomeria japonica should do fine.
    Cryptomeria japonica `Jindai
    Juniperus chinensis `Shoosmith' _ Yes. Probably no problem at all.
    Picea pungens `Glauca Fat Albert' Â Maybe. I see some pungens that do great and others suffer. I almost think they do best if they are neglected. Seems like the ones that look good are usually in full sun and probably never get extra water. I donÂt get itÂ
    Picea pungens `RH Montgomery' Â same.
    Pinus bungeana - Yes
    Pinus densiflora `Burke's Red Variegated' - ???
    Pinus flexilis `Extra Blue' Â Should be fine. A little shade would not hurt anything
    Pinus koraiensis `Oculus Draconis' - Yes
    Pinus parviflora `Templehof' - ???
    Pinus wallichiana `Zebrina' - ???
    Sequoia sempervirens `Soquel' Â I have seen a few sempervirens in Charlotte and Atlanta. Probably would be OK. I doubt they would do well in Nashville. The ones at Cheekwood donÂt look that great. It is probably the cold that hurts them here.
    Thuja occidentalis `Wansdyke Silver' Â Yes. I have not killed a Thuja yetÂ

    Another Abies I have had luck with is nordmanniana. Numidica may do well also (although sadly I managed to kill mine).
    Other Picea that would work is abies, meyeri and orientalis. Some people have luck with omorika but not me. I have killed the species but so far the Bruns weeping I have grafted on Norway has done well. I would stay away from glauca (they are iffy even here in Nashville). On the other hand I see dwarf alberta spruce everywhere...

    I would grow the heck out of Cedrus, Pinus and Thuja. You may be able to drop in a few Tsuga in shady spots. If you can find Keteleeria davidiana that would probably be cool and may help with your Abies fix. Some Podocarpus might be cool as well.

    Jeff

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi Joyce. I live in Huntsville and am also growing a conifer garden. Would love to hear how your garden is doing after all this time. Please let me know what have done well for you and what haven’t.

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