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Would you consister this Safe ?

16 years ago

Hi I came across this on the web and I now wonder if this is safe...it doesn't mention any type of hot water etc to can. what are your thoughts on this PLEASE. thanks.

FOR THE PICKLING LIQUID:

* 1 quart cider or white wine vinegar

* 1 quart water

* 2 tablespoons sea salt

FOR THE PICKLING MARINADE:

* 2 cups extra-virgin olive oil

* 5 cloves garlic, peeled and sliced

* 1 fresh red chili, deseeded and chopped

CHOOSE 1 OF THE FOLLOWING VEGETABLE AND HERB OPTIONS:

* 2 pounds mixed mushrooms and a few sprigs of fresh thyme, rosemary and sage

* 2 pounds firm eggplant and 2 tablespoons dried oregano

* 2 pounds firm zucchini and 6 sprigs of fresh mint

* 2 pounds fennel bulbs and their herby tops

* 2 pounds small onions and 4 bay leaves

* 2 pounds red and yellow peppers and a few sprigs of fresh thyme

DIRECTIONS

Make sure you have some small sterilized jars ready to go. Bring the pickling liquid ingredients to the boil in a big pan. Put the pickling marinade ingredients into a large bowl with your chosen herbs and mix well. Slice up your chosen vegetables any way you like, but if it's a larger vegetable try to get the pieces around 1/2-inch in thickness. This way, the flavors and pickling liquid will penetrate sufficiently. Smaller vegetables, like mushrooms or very small onions, can be left whole.

Place the sliced vegetables in the boiling pickling liquid and leave for around 3 minutes - they'll probably rise to the surface, so keep pushing them down to ensure they are all immersed. Lift the pieces out with a slotted spoon and place them into your bowl of pickling marinade. Toss together - it will smell fantastic.

Pretty much straightaway, put the hot vegetables and pickling marinade into your sterilized jars, filling them to the very top. Cover the vegetables completely with the marinade and put the lids on tightly. Put the jars aside until they're cool. Clean the jars, attach sticky labels and write the date and the contents on them. Store the jars somewhere cool and dark - it's best to leave them for about 2 weeks before opening so the vegetables really get to marinate well, but if you absolutely cannot wait, you can eat them sooner. They'll keep for about 3 months - but they're so bloody good I'm lucky if the jars last for a couple of weeks in our house!

"Our agreement with the producers of "Jamie at Home" only permit us to make 2 recipes per episode available online. Food Network regrets the inconvenience to our viewers and foodnetwork.com users"

Originally from FoodNetwork.com

Comments (12)

  • 16 years ago

    Always, the first question is "where did you get the recipe "? If it didn't come from a reliable source, from some place it was tested, then that will basically tell you that is is not safe....
    They won't be safe for 3 months even in the fridge. Botulism can grow in that oily environment. You could make it and keep in the fridge a few days and eat that way.
    No, absoloutely not, for canning. They are not preacidified, no bottled lemon juice, too much oil. Most of those veggies are not safe to put in oil, etc. I can think of a lot of reasons it is unsafe.
    If you want marinated mushrooms there is a safe, really wonderful recipe from Univ. Of Georgia website.
    They also have a good 3 bean salad with some oil added.

  • 16 years ago

    Agree. Aside from the lack of processing instructions, it provides only a minimal level of acidification and FAR too much oil to be acceptable for canning - and I assume that is what you are asking, canning?

    In the fridge - fine but I'd say more like 3 weeks limit than 3 months.

    JMO

    Dave

  • 16 years ago

    I saw that recipe on Jamie at Home. A couple of his other recipes look eminently cannable, but personally I'd pass on this one unless it were refrigerated.

    I know it's possible to acidify low-acid foods and then put them under oil, but I'm not comfortable shelving such foods without testing and verification of their safety.

    Basically there's no way to know if it's safe or not. It would be interesting to email Jamie Oliver and see what he has to say about it. I checked the credits in the book but none specifically address this kind of food preservation. I just keep in mind he's a chef, not a food preservation authority.

    I'm with the others. Barring further information, I wouldn't take the risk unless you have lots of refrigerator space. Be aware a lot of old-timers in cold climates would make this sort of thing and store it in a stillroom where temperatures in winter were akin to refrigeration anyway. It wasn't shelved at 70°.

    Carol

  • 16 years ago

    Keep in mind he is also English and they have a different view on canning than we do. I wouldn't feel comfortable about canning that...I would keep it in the frig without any issue just be sure to use it up quickly.

  • 16 years ago

    Of course he isn't "canning" them per se but he is capping and storing at room temperature.

    I just don't think there's enough testing done on this method of food preservation to know. The canned recipes we have available for marinated peppers, for example, do have an oil and acid brine but that doesn't mean they're exactly the same.

    Carol

  • 16 years ago

    well, I like to thank all that took the time to reply.I'll pass. Is there a SAFE canning recipe for pickled eggplants ??

  • 16 years ago

    Ellie Topp has one in Small-Batch Preserving. The Ball Complete Book of Home Preserving has one. Those recipes are posted in the thread at the link.

    Normally if there's a safe version out there a search on the forum will yield it.

    Linda Ziedrich has about 8 recipes containing eggplant or pickling eggplant in her book The Joy of Pickling.. I recommend her book highly. The recipes are tested for safety and there's more variety and a greater number of ethnic recipes.

    Ellie Topp's book also gets a high recommend. Her credentials are stellar.

    Carol

    Here is a link that might be useful: Eggplant Recipe

  • 16 years ago

    I would never allow any oil or fat or meat in any canning for me.

    mushrooms are a problem. they are very different from veggies. mushrooms are basically a fungus and need special handling. I would avoid trying to work with mushrooms.

    I never add water to vinegar. I always use 100% vinegar for safety.

  • 16 years ago

    This is similar to a recipe for marinated mushrooms in my JOY OF PICKLING, except that my mushrooms get canned with a 20-minute boiling-water bath. In spite of that, a USDA scientist who reviewed the first edition of my book wanted me to take the recipe out, until I explained that it came from Dr. George York, a microbiologist from the University of California, Davis.
    Jamie's recipe sounds delicious to me. I think I'll try it with just half the quantities. I'll heat the pickling liquid with the garlic and herbs in it, before adding the vegetables, instead of mixing the garlic and herbs directly with the oil, since the latter might bring a risk of botulism. I'll store the pickle in the refrigerator, but I'll be sure to take it out in plenty of time for the oil to melt before it's time to eat.

  • 16 years ago

    Welcome to the Harvest forum!

    I just picked up your book last night, it's canning season, and I'll look forward to seeing your posts.

    Annie

  • 16 years ago

    With that much vinegar I wouldn't worry about it. I often bring vinegar to a boil and pour it over raw low acid veggies like cauliflower, celery slices and carrots. A bit of salt, garlic and onion and a couple of hot peppers and you have a gallon jar full of veggies that will only improve with age. I've stored it that way at room temperature for several years with no spoilage. It's a big favorite among the guys watching Saturday night football.

  • 16 years ago

    Picklelady,
    So, are you Linda Ziedrich ? Welcome !
    I am Linda Lou, the Master Food Preserver/Food Safety Advisor, and Program Assistant at my local county extension office.
    So, I am one who errs on the side of caution, of course.
    I do not have the Joy of Pickling yet. Perhaps I should get a copy. Have heard so many nice things about the book.
    I know we often see things from Univ. of Cal. Davis that seem sort of different than those we normally find. One thing I remember from several years ago was a gal who said she got a recipe for canning lemon curd from their files. Then, I had emailed our person at the university here. She said "no, that is not safe !", only now to see it included on the NCHFP website. I was shocked when I saw it added.
    Not that I would can it just because of the short shelf life. I prefer to freeze mine, but it is on there and I can tell people they may use that recipe and process it.
    Goes to show that things can and do change from time to time.
    Hmmm, maybe I could get you to sign a copy of your book for me.