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Florida trip fun

17 years ago

First...a special thanks to Warren Condon, Eldys Diaz, Sheehan Gobin, Rich Scheff, and Chris Hind. Thanks for everything.

Got to finally meet Gerry(lycheeluva) in person on Thursday while we waited for our rental car. Got to love a guy who greets you with a fresh mangosteen! Ate it while we waited. My wife, Gerry, and I hit it off immediately. He had us laughing at his fresh lychee hunt stories. Thanks to Gerry bringing a portable navigator, getting around Florida was a snap!

We immediately took off north for Excalibur. Some rare plants I was interested in were already waiting for me when we arrived. Unfortunately, the owner picked the wrong time to change the price of his plants and priced himself out of several purchases. We were given a great tour of the place. Quite an operation going on there. The huge specimens in the 200-400 gallon containers were quite impressive...alas...shipping would have crippled not only the budget but my marriage as well. Most of the plants and areas seemed in pretty decent shape. However, most of the more rare plants were obviously not well taken care of. Most bordered on being criminal. I was very disappointed in a lot of these plants. More purchases that was not going to be made. I did get a small maprang seedling that was nice. We were shown some Garcinia Edulis plants...great big and smaller, that were fruiting. Really ripe fruit was excellent and the taste had a hint of mangosteen. Left with some fruit and regret not going back after one of the plants. Oh well.

Gerry picked out the hotel......and it was a good one. Clean, comfortable, beautiful pool. Later that evening we met Bill Mee, owner of Lycheesonline, at his home and orchard. Great guy. Picked his brain...and picked his lychees!!!! He said to help ourselves. I showed great restraint by not gorging myself. Poor Gerry was shaking from his restraint so bad, I thought he was going to have a breakdown or something. He did us proud though. And of course we had to buy some before we left.

Went to PIN on Fri. We were given a mini tour of the facilities...at least the areas we were most interested in. Started pouring down rain. Didn't slow us down any. Bought a Sweetheart lychee and Cogshall mango. There wasnt a hell of a big difference between the 3 gal and 7 gal so I got the 3 gal's and let them ship the plants. Less for me to try and box up on my own. Then the rain REALLY set in...like pouring out of a giant bucket. We're safely back at the main office by this time purchasing more lychees, mangos, and dragon fruit.

Schnebly's Winery was a bust. They only do tours on the weekends. We did the tasting. Out of the five, the mango wine was simply awesome. I left with four bottles.

Robert Is Here fruitstand was nice. The key lime shake is very good. My only advice to them would be that if they cut up fruit and wrap to be sold, please put them on ice! The jakfruit smelled like it had fermented in the plastic wrap. The taste, once past the smell, was not bad. Gerry also bought soursop. If I'm not mistaken here, his exact quote after taking a bite was this: "it tastes like vomit and feet.". That pretty much pre-judged any taste test from me. It was horrible. The mamey was a little better but nothing to cause me to go all a glitter.

Next stop was Tim's Oriental Market somewhere in Miami. I was told I could get fresh mangosteen for $9.50/lb. instead of $16/lb. back home. And for all of you out there not believing an oriental market was named Tim's, it is Tim's. My wife and Gerry was very humble after arguing that it must be named Kim's.

Saturday nearly had me driving back to Excalibur for the garcinia edulis plant, then going straight to Miami area. Didn't do it. Fruit and Spice Park was a good trip. Got to meet Warren and Chris from the Yahoo group. Warren is the one taking us around to different places. A member from the Citrus Growers forum, Eyeckr, also met us at the park. Eldys, from our forum, was there and took us around the park for a guided tour. HeÂs very informative and seems to know every plant in the park. It was great of him to spend the time he did with all of us. Everyone appreciated it. The weather was like being in Thailand. I was so caught up in walking around with either Eldys or Warren and listening to them, that I pretty much forgot about taking many pictures. I think my wife took some but we haven't uploaded them yet.

There was a young, blond-headed kid from norther California that was tagging along with us at the park. Surprised the hell out of us when we found that he really knew his stuff! Very cool seeing someone of his age so interested in plants. Hey little dude...if you are on this forum, please make yourself known.

Warren then took us to Rick ScheffÂs place, a friend of his that has about 5 acres of jackfruit, lychees, longans, and all kinds of things growing in his yard. Probably spent close to two hours there. He gave me a yellow dragonfruit cutting.

Next stop of the day was Warren's house. Small yard just packed with all kinds of fruit trees. Lots of rare and impossible to obtain plants. I teased him that a few may be missing come Monday morning. I smiled when I said it. We pointed, chatted, oooh'd and aaah'd even while the raining was pouring down. Probably spent a good couple of hours. Remember, my wife was "along for the ride" so to speak. So after a few plants, they were all the same. Later that night she exclaimed that Warren and I acted and sounded like a couple of teen-aged girls all excited about plants!! It was actually pretty funny hearing this come from her and at the same time, painfully true.

He and his wife took us all out for a good German dinner. Best food we've had all week so far. I wish I could remember the seafood place we went to so I could find an on-line rating for them! What do you get when you add up all zeroes?

Sunday greeted us by getting Gerry to the airport early due to family concerns. So he missed out on our trip to Fairchild Gardens. But he gave me money and said to buy everyone lunch. What a guy! We met Warren and his wife at the park and had a nice time. The park, as always, was wonderful. The Whitman Pavillion...a holy shrine. The rambutan and langsats had blooms. The mangosteens were getting quite large. A good ending stop to the trip.

Thanks to all who shared the experience with us. Gerry's a fine traveling companion. I learned more about the Jewish faith during our drives then I ever knew to date. Beware the coco-de-mer palms!

Hopefull I can get the pics uploaded soon.

Here's what plants I brought home or having shipped home:

Maprang seedling, Sweetheart lychee, Cogshall mango, two grafted cherichuelas(cuttings taken from Bill Whitman's tree)

Cuttings: Kampong Mauve sugar apple, Pakistani mulberry, imbeÂs(male and female), cherapuÂs(male and female), longkong langsat, yellow dragonfruit, Bell carambola, and some plumeria.

Seeds: Garcinia Edulis, purple mombin, a theobroma cousin, mangosteens from the irradiated, fresh, refridgerated fruit, jakfruit.

Comments (28)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks for the kind words Jay.
    I believe my exact soursop reaction was "sour feet and vomit" but you were close enough.
    I too would like to thank Warren, Chris, Sheehan, and Eldys, and everyone else who gave so generously of their time and knowledge.
    I would caution anyone visiting Ohio, not to clog up the fast lane or Jay will kick your ass- not necessarily metaphorically speaking.

    I learned that I am a complete amateur when it comes to knowledge and enthusiasm for plants. Jay, Warren, Eldys, Sheehan, Chris, and many others just blew me away with the breadth and depth of their knowledge and enthusiasm for plants.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Glad you guys had a GREAT time. Can't wait for the pictures. Thanks so much for sharing your trip experiences with all of us. Looking forward to the pictures. Glad you made it back safe and sound...

    Jay I think you will really like the the Cogshall Mango. I have two of them and just absolutely LOVE the growth habit on that tree, to me it has one of the prettiest canopy. Although I have never tasted the fruit I have heard so many that love the taste.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hello,
    Yes I am the tag along. It was nice meeting you, and tagging along for a bit. It was amazing all the people there and the wealth of knowledge they had! I had never taste truly "fresh" mangoes before, and they were amasing. Even in California the mangoes have gone through some pest/flavor killing process. After the event I went back up to my aunt's house in northern Florida. Here I got some amazing wild blueberry cuttings too try back home. I leave for California tommorow, with more fruit, fruit seeds, cuttings, and knowledge. Sounds like you went home with quite a lot of new plants! Hope they do great, and I am expecting great pictures of them soon.

  • 17 years ago
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    hey plummy- im really glad you have identified yourself. remind me of your first name.
    guys this "kid" has more knowledge about plants than most adults. absolutely amazing.

  • 17 years ago
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    Tom, Thomas I don't really care which I go by. I don't know that much, I just always read and talk to people. I'm glad I got to meet you, and you should make sure to go here:http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_acc.pl

    thats the listings for the USDA's avalible lychee scion wood. And here is the order form:
    http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/order.html

    Hopefully you can get a few lychee seeds started and start grafting some :)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Puglvr1...if my little mango ever comes close to looking as nice as yours, I will be a happy man. I was hoping they would have arrived today but guess not until Thurs.

    Plummy...Tom, glad to be able to put a handle to the face. It was great having you around Saturday. I only wish there was more time to spend and chat. Our day didn't end until after 9:00. We were really on the go that day.

    Here's a link to some photos. There should be 114 of them. Unfortunately with Photobucket, they don't stay in any particular order so they are a mixed lot. I only had time to make comments on a few of them. Please let me know if anyone has troubles viewing the pics. Wish I had more. Blame Eldys for being so damned interesting to listen to!!
    http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/ohiojay/Z2%20-%20Florida%20Trip%20June%202008/

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks Jay,

    Great pictures...looks like a great time was had by all. Enjoyed looking at the photos, thanks for sharing your trip with all of us!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Great pics. It is amazing to me how many different plants can grow without worry of freezing just a couple hours from my house. Those pics make me want to head further south even more.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I enjoyed reading your post and it definitely sounds like you had a lot of fun!
    Along with rare fruit I enjoy gem "hunting", but when you think about it, considering the cost of a fresh Mangosteen, or the near-impossibility of fresh Lanzones, I'd say they're more than just similar, but most of all finding either is it's own treasure. :)

    -Tropicaliste

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Plummy, were you aware of our trip or was you being there just a coincidence? Good timing either way!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    looks like a great time and a serious haul of trees/cuttings/seeds. That should keep you busy for a little whlle. Wish I would have planned ahead, had you send me a tree or two from Pine Isl.

    glad you guys had fun,
    -Ethan

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    PIN needs to use someone besides DHL for their shipping.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Have you still not got your trees?

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I had known of your trip, but was also going to be in FLorida around the same time with my Aunt, Uncle, and Grandpa so they proposed the idea of going to the Fruit and Spice Park and so it just kinda worked out. BTW great photos and I think the unknown fruit tree the was by the mombins was some kind of tropical fig.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Jsvand5, yes. I did finally get them...after several exhausting phone calls.

  • 17 years ago
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    I'm jealous. If there is a next time, I'm in.

    SB

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    we should definitly do this again soon- maybe to peurto rico or hawai or california!!!!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would have loved to be there to met everyone. We stopped by the Fruit & Spice park, Robert is here, and Fairchild this past weekend. The mangosteens at Fairchild were very nice specimens, but three of the four rambutans had severe leaf burn/burnt tips. Only the smallest one was totally green. I'm surprised I couldn't find any Longans down there as well. I was hoping that Robert's would have had them, but nope.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    they have longans in china town here- im really not a fan - really sweet and a very strong musky taste. not my scene at all.

  • 17 years ago
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    They weren't near ready when we were down there. Saw bunches on trees though.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'll have to check the Asian markets near Philly then, they'll probably have them. Maybe a stray mangosteen or rambutan too.

  • 17 years ago
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    It was very nice meeting all of you in person - it's a shame I didn't have more time to head out on any of your other pomological excursions, but my job schedule is brutal.

    Plummy, I realized on my way home that the Fruit and Spice Park greenhouse plant I had mistakenly identified as a durian (and which you cleverly pointed out was an Annona) was, in fact, a posh-te. Kudos on recognizing the genus immediately.

    NTM, I noticed the same thing about the leaf burn on the rambutans at Fairchild - of course, mine seem to have the same problem. I was there earlier today and found ripe cherapus and ripening mangosteens on the trees - very cool.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Jay, Plummy, Eldys, Lycheeluva it was great to meet you all at the 'Fl trip Fun' adventure. You all may have not known me before the trip as I mostly post on the citrus forums. Nevertheless I am quite the fruit lover and have enjoyed reading your posts! I hit pretty much all the same spots as Ohiojay and had a great time. Here are some pics:

    Robert is Here Fruit Stand

    Excalibur Fruit Trees

    Fruit and Spice Park

    Pine Island Nursery

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks for posting those great photos...all the fruits look yummy, especially the fresh jackfruit. Its been a long time since I've had fresh jackfruit, guess I will have to settle for the canned ones...its good too, just not as good!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Why not just buy one Pug? you know you want to.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Great pics. It's nice to finally see photos of P.I.N., Robert Is Here, etc. after hearing so much about them. It sounds like you had a great time. I need to get down to the Miami/Homestead area and try some of the tropical fruit. I went 2 years ago on a bromeliad-buying trip with my dad and stopped by Fairchild later in the day, but didn't have time for "fruit stops." There is so much to do there, it is definitely a multi-day outing. Thanks for sharing your experience.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    A big Thanks to OhioJay and all the other folks who've contributed to this string!! I've started getting seriously into tropical fruits after many years of sitting on the sidelines. My durians are sprouting like crazy but I'd love to get a mangosteen, a few of the various annonas, and a condo mango or two. Reading Jay's wonderful descriptions of the nurseries was very helpful. I'm hoping to make a South Florida trip in August [work schedule won't let me do it earlier :-( ]

    Thanks again, everyone, and happy growing!!

  • 17 years ago
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    Thanks for the photos guys. It was great to look at those pics. Now I want to visit. Wonder what kind of fruits they have in late August. Where did you guys stayed and do we have to make reservation before visiting the nursery? I'm planning my trip now. I'm going to Orlando first and then drive from to Miami or whichever nursery closest.

    Thanks

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