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Tomato choice help for 2009.

17 years ago

Well, here we go again!

2008 was a pretty awful year as fat as tomatoes go, between bugs, diseases, gophers, too much manure, and my own incompetence. I'm a reasonably smart guy, I think, but tomatoes continue to baffle me. I try to remember that every humiliation is a blessing from God.

Now, for next year's prospective line-up, so far. I'm going to keep things simpler this year and plant some of my favorites as well as some older on-hand seeds that didn't get a fair shake. I could use, however, some suggestions, particularly for interesting new cherries. The cherries are the ones I usually eat myself.

Returning from saved seeds:

1. Burgundy Traveler

2. Indian Stripe

3. Black Pineapple (The family loved it; I didn't)

4. Pruden's Purple.

5. Black Cherry

6. Gardener's Delight

Getting another chance:

5. Neve's Azorean

6. Cherokee Green

7. Russian 117

8. Riesentraube

New ones to order (so far):

9. Big White Pink Stripes (just for the looks)

  1. Jaune Flamme
  2. Break O' Day
  3. Noir de Crimee (from Sandhill)

I also need advice about amending my soil again, but I'll leave that for later.

Comments (12)

  • 17 years ago

    Being in So. Cal. you should check out Tomatofest.com, Harris seeds or Penny's.
    You can't do better than Gardener's delight in my opinion - but opinions are like navels. You said cherries, but you didn't mention above ground growing. I like Argentina Cherry
    from Penny's but I also like Red Robin (if you're growing in containers). Containerseeds.net (I think) or .com
    Patio and Totem are fun to grow also.

    Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.pennystomatoes.com

  • 17 years ago

    How about Black Cherry, Matts Wild Cherry and one I'm try this coming season is Green Doctors.

    Damon

  • 17 years ago

    My absolute favorite cherry (grape, small fruit etc.) varieties are Green Grape (YUM!) and Sun Gold Hybrid. I think seeds for both are available at tomatogrowers.com and seedlings are available at Laurel's heirloomtomatoplants.com.

    Your returning varieties are the ones that did well, I assume. How did you like Pruden's Purple?

  • 17 years ago

    The couple of Pruden's I got last year were pretty good, not necessarily mind-blowingly good, but I didn't get enough to really form an opinion, so I'm going to give it another try.

    Black Cherry I grow every year.

    Sungold I grew the last two years. It was excellent, but I would rather try something new.

    Green Grape... Well, I'm not sure. It sounds good, but I have a fear of grape tomatoes. I have never liked any grape tomato that I have ever tried. They were too chewy, not the same texture as what I think of in a cherry. (I did have another green, Green Doctors Cherry on my list of possibles, but I crossed that off many months ago for some reason, with the comment "NO!!" scrawled on it. I can't remember why. Puzzling.)

    Matt's Wild I don't like at all. I've grown it more than once.

  • 17 years ago

    (I did have another green, Green Doctors Cherry on my list of possibles, but I crossed that off many months ago for some reason, with the comment "NO!!" scrawled on it. I can't remember why. Puzzling.)

    *****

    I don't know why you crossed it off either since I think it's superior to Green Grape in every way.....taste, yield, etc.

    And I don't like Matt's either. LOL

    But how about indicating what you might be looking for as to varieties other than cherries, such as fruit color, use, etc., b'c without being given some parameters there's a whole lot that I might list. LOL

    How about Sungold F1 cherries? The only two cherries I grow every year now are Sungold and Black Cherry and actually I do throw in Green Doctors as well.

    There's always the tomato variety Dr. Carolyn, a pale ivory cherry, which I think is better than any that Joe Bratka bred such as Snowhite/Rabbit/Ghost, b'c as a pale yellow, which some call white, it's derived from the variety Galina, and has inherited some of those great Galina taste genes. An honest assessment, not just b'c someone named the variety for me after it appeared in my garden. ( smile)

    Ananas Noire, aka Black Pineapple, I don't like it either. LOL

    I do like the red cherry Chadwick's Cherry, aka Camp Joy, and I do like the thumb sized pale yellow Mirabell, which is different from Mirabelle Blanche a so called white cherry but it doesn't have much taste.

    BTW, Big White Pink Stripes is neither big, nor white nor does it have stripes. LOL I don't know what blurb you're reading but legions of SSE listers have said the fruit color is peach, the interior cream, sometimes a pink blush at the bottom, but no one has ever described stripes. Size is in the 10-12 oz range for most folks.

    I grew Big White years ago but don't remember much about it. It was during my first years of growing heirlooms and I was growing everything different that I could find at that time. Purple Smudge, Angora, Lutescent and others were different, but just didn't have it when it came to good eating fruits.

    Do you like heart varieties? Some great new ones that I love and I don't know what you've grown in that regard.

    So a wee bit of direction from you and I'll list some that might meet what you'd like to try for your consideration.

    Carolyn

  • 17 years ago

    I do love Ananas Noire :-). It has a rich taste for me, a kind of a combination of smoky flavor of black varieties and 'tropical' flavor of green-when-ripe tomatoes.

    Re Big White Pink Stripes - yes, it is peach colored and not striped. However, I noticed some very faint striping on some fruits that ripened at a certain time (see the link below for pictures).

    Jaune Flamme is an excellent tomato.

    IMO, there are better red cherries than Gardener's Delight - I like them sweet, and hence prefer Josefine or Sweetie.

    Tastes vary, and it is very normal ;-)

    Tania

    Here is a link that might be useful: Big White Pink Stripes

  • 17 years ago

    You aren't exactly growing varieties known to produce in your climate.

    Here are a few suggestions that would fill the bill.

    1. Burgundy Traveller - large deep pink tomatoes with excellent production and pretty decent flavor. I use these for canning and juice mostly but they are decent slicers.

    2. Red Brandywine - The original is a good flavored and productive red tomato well worth growing.

    3. Lyuda's Mom's Red Ukraine - a very good determinate round red tomato with dense walls and outstanding production.

    4. Lynnwood - Another top notch red tomato for general use.

    5. Eva Purple Ball - Excellent production and nice mild sweet flavor.

    5. Any one of a number of good large pink potato leaf tomatoes such as Stump of the World, Taps, Brandywine, etc.

    6. Dr. Carolyn Pink, Camp Joy, Black Cherry, and Galina are a good mix of good flavored cherries.

    7. If you really want good black tomatoes, try J.D.'s Special C-Tex. Black From Tula and Noire de Crimmee are also very good.

    8. KBX was an outstanding orange potato leaf slicer in my garden for 2008.

    9. Kimberly, Bloody Butcher, and Stupice make decent choices for extra early tomatoes.

    1. Gregori's Altai makes a very good early beefsteak tomato with fruits ripening in 65 to 70 days from transplant.

    DarJones

  • 17 years ago

    You aren't exactly growing varieties known to produce in your climate.

    *****

    ...said Darrel gently. LOL

    And thanks for the good laugh, which I needed today.

    You know, over the years I think I've seen almost any variety grown well in CA in zone 10. I think it depends a lot on the timing of plant out and doing the late and midseason ones for the Spring ones and the early and midseason ones for the Fall crop.

    And heaven knows of all the variables that play into this.

    Carolyn

  • 17 years ago

    I'm another that really liked Ananas Noire (2008 was the
    first year I grew it) and was impressed with it - as was my
    family. I thought the taste was fantastic. I'm very happy
    to see that Cherokee Green and Russian 117 were on our 'try
    again' list b/c I found both of those to be fabulous.

    My faves this year were Cherokee Green, Ananas Noire, Indian
    Stripe, Sungold, and Brad's Black Heart. They really stood
    out for one reason or another in my garden this year and
    all tasted excellent.

  • 17 years ago

    How about Ildi?

  • 17 years ago

    When you say "bugs and diseases", what do you mean?

    I would assume living in SoCal you have nematodes and/or verticillium, and if you do, I can recommend varieties which can power through it, which most of the "East Coast" varieties commonly suggested will not.
    Can you be specific as to what you are battling?

    Carla in Sac

  • 17 years ago

    2008 was a pretty awful year as fat as tomatoes go, between bugs, diseases, gophers, too much manure, and my own incompetence. I'm a reasonably smart guy, I think, but tomatoes continue to baffle me.

    So we are kinda engaged in a "cart before the horse" exercise here doof, right? Without identifying and fixing, insofar as possible, all of the above problems as well as proper planting times, it honestly will make no difference which varieties you grow. ;)

    Otherwise your best bet make be one of the old BHN, Aztec, or Beefmaster type varieties with all their built in hybrid resistances.

    Dave

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