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Fireplace Insert Questions

20 years ago

IÂm looking at getting a fireplace insert, not really because of the savings but because itÂs a renewable source and I like the idea of being more self sufficient, my lot is 12 acres and is totally wooded and I hate to see all that fuel going to waste. Plus my wife has no body fat, runs around half naked, and likes it toasty warm in the winter.

My house is on the large side, 3500 square feet for the first and second floor, 1800 in the basement, and another 800 feet in a walk up attic (which is used for storage but isnÂt really climate controlled though the HVAC is run in there and there are registers).

It was built in 2000 so the heating system is fairly efficient, 500 gal propane tank and gas heat for the basement (no thermostat) and main floor (thermostate), the second floor is a heat pump. There are two wood masonry fire places, one on the main floor and one in the basement, and a gas fireplace in the master bedroom.

ThereÂs a lot of windows and the design of the house is open with a 2 story foyer and two staircases, one in the foyer and one in the back off the family room where the fireplace is so air flow to the two main floors of the house should be no problem. ThereÂs one staircase to the basement so airflow is limited, my home office is down there and I telecommute so I spend a lot of time down there and IÂm worried about it being too cold with the heat source on the main floor.

Questions:

I confused about the catalytic converter. Some people are saying get an insert with one and it will be more efficient, others that they are problematic and need to be repaired too often and limit at what temp you can burn the stove?

How many BTUs should I look at?

The two existing masonry fireplaces are vertically in line with each other and the chimney is full brick, how much of a concern is insulating this mass from the firebox? Do I want to heat up this mass or not?

BlowersÂhow many CFM is a balance, IÂm worried about noise since the insert would be in the family room.

Should I consider get a smaller cheaper insert for the fireplace in the basement? Am I going to save a lot on installation if I get two put in at the same time?

My dad had a Nashua wood stove installed in the late 70Âs, it was a small house, and that thing would run you out of the living roomÂ.IÂm worried about the family room being uninhabitable because of the heat.

Comments (6)

  • 20 years ago

    Cat vs non cat is a hotly debated subject. Bottom line, non cats are less maintenance, and dont have anything to remember to engage. Cats are a little more efficient, have moving parts, and a part that wears out and need replacement.

    You should look at the biggest unit that will fit the fireplace, it doesnt sound like you will waste the heat. 60,000 btu's should be sufficient.

    Any mass you heat up in the chimney is lost heat from the flue. You want to keep the flue hot, so insulating it is best. Draft is hard to establish on high efficieny fireplaces, heat is what drives the chimney.

    Blowers work well on low, if there to high they just cool the unit down and you get less complete combution, run your blower in low and your celing fan on reverse, that will distrubiute the heat the best.

    I dont think you will save much on having two installed at once, it will take two liners and double the labor as one. Call your local hearth shop for a bid on both installs.

    Its a fine line between heat output and burn time. these newer stoves put lots of heat out for the size firebox they have. Celing fans will help cool things down, the problem is there is not a stove with a long burn time that doesnt crank the heat. You might consider a thermal mass stove like hearthstone or woodstock and sit it in front of the fireplace. It will not get as hot as a steel insert. The hearthstone homstead and heratige are designed for this application. Hearthstonestoves.com

  • 20 years ago

    Thanks....non-cat sounds the way to go for me then. You really think 60,000 BTUs will be enough? I don't have enough room for a stove (it would just out into the room too much) but one of the units I was looking at based on some feedback I had found here and some newsgroups was a Hearthstone Clydesdale......it's 60K BTU but the firebox is smaller than I would like but I understand that's because it is lined with soapstone.

  • 20 years ago

    Its hard to find inserts much larger then 60k. Also the all night burn is hard to get on most appliances unless your upwards of 3cf firebox, the downside is that 3cf will typically produce 80k/btu's. I am not aware of one thats that big, they might exist, but dont in the lines i sell and are familer with. Dont forget the upstairs doesnt count on heating capacity if its a open floor plan. glad i could help.

  • 20 years ago

    I'm sorry, what do you mean by the upstairs doesn't count on an open floor plan?

  • 20 years ago

    The heat will rise up there, so you dont count the square feet up there if the floor plan is open.

  • 20 years ago

    Thorpe, if you measure the hearth you may find that you will eliminate a lot of choices in large fireplace inserts. I just purchased an insert last winter and we absolutely love it.

    My advice, get the biggest insert that will fit in your hearth with the biggest firebox so that you don't have to tend it very often. You can always have a smaller, less efficient fire or just open a window when it gets too hot but you can't build a hotter fire if your insert doesn't support it. I'm sure I'll get some replies about that smaller fire comment, but it's the truth.

    As for the basement, you can save money getting a big insert that doesn't have enamel or brass or any of that stuff. A plain cast-iron heater will save hundreds of dollars on the appliance but get the blower option to move the air around.

    So, to recap... As big as possible, as hot as affordable and get blowers on everything to move the air around. I went with a secondary combustion unit because I didn't want to have to worry about procedures and replacement of the catalytic element when it went bad.

    Best of luck and let us know what you go with.