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Water Softener Sizing Help

12 years ago

Hi Everyone,

Just moved into a house a few weeks back and am looking to buy a water softener. The previous owners were leasing a softener from one of the local propane companies and were paying quite a bit per month for it. I did call around and quotes from local companies were a lot more than I was wanting to pay, so I went ahead and got my water tested from an independent lab (through my county Health Department) and plan on doing the job myself with some help from family.
Here is the info:
-Well water (nonchlorinated) with 40-50 PSI reading at the pressure tank in the basement
-SFR of 7 gpm measured at outside hose bib (no bathtubs in the house had separate valves for hot/cold)
-House is 1950 sqft and technically 4 levels (basement that has sink, washer, hot water heater, and will have softener. No water fixtures on lower level, sink and dishwasher on main level, and two bathrooms on upper level, each with normal bath/shower (no high pressure Jacuzzis or hot tubs)
-All plumbing is 3/4 " copper
-Currently 3 people living in the house (myself, wife, and 8 month old son)- likely having another child in the next 1-2 years
Water Results:
Total Hardness: 400 mg/L (~23.4 gpg)
Iron: Less than 80 micrograms/Liter
Manganese: Less than 30 micrograms/Liter
Sodium: Less than 5.0 mg/Liter
Mercury: Less than 0.5 micrograms/Liter
Lead: Less than 5 micrograms/Liter
pH: 7.20
TDS: 468 mg/L
Chlorine � Not tested (on private nonchlorinated well)
E coli and nitrates negative

Based on the numbers, with 3 of us using ~60 gallons each per day (estimate), we would use about 29484 grains in 7 days. If you account for possibly adding another in the next 1-2 years, with 4 of us using ~60 gallons/day it would equate to 39312 grains in 7 days.
What would you guys recommend for a softener and size? I am currently looking at the Fleck 5600 SXT (since it uses 3/4" plumbing which my house currently has). For sizing, I was thinking of either 1.5 cuft or 2.0 cuft. If I am correct, the 1.5 cubic foot would be most efficient now (would use 9 pounds of salt and get about 32000 grain capacity from it, regenerating every 7-8 days) but if we have another child added to the family it may be slightly undersized (regenerating every ~6 days at 9 pounds of salt/regen) If I get the 2.0 cuft it will be a little bit less efficient now because it would be too big but would be able to handle another family member (set at 12 pounds of salt/regen would get about 40k removal capacity every 7 days)... Would I have to worry about channeling issues with the 2 cuft in the mean time before having another child, or isn't the difference large enough? I guess if you compare the total salt consumption between the two with 4 total family members, it is pretty equal ( 45 lbs salt/month with 1.5 cu ft and 48 lbs salt/month with 2.0 cu ft), but salt consumption would be higher in the mean time with the 2.0 cu ft (would be using 36 lbs salt/month with 1.5 and about 48 lbs salt/month with 2.0)

Other questions: Would you guys recommend a top basket and/or gravel bed for this set up? I've seen multiple posts in the past that these are recommended, although the companies will tell you otherwise.
Noryl or stainless steel for yoke and bypass? Do I need both a yoke and a bypass?
Which type of resin? Is it worth the extra ~$70 bucks to get Purolite C100E 8% crosslink resin versus the NSF approved 8% crosslink resin that comes standard with the softener?

Thank you to everyone in advance for the input. I really appreciate any help I can get!.

-Jim in Ohio

Comments (9)

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If anyone is able to provide advice on this issue, I would truly appreciate it. Thanks!

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I won't make a sizing recommendation but here are some things for you to consider...

    Don't forget to add 1 days hardness removal capacity for reserve in your arithmetic.

    A 12" diameter resin tank is right at the design limit of the 5600 series control valve. Consider a Fleck 7000SXT and it will come with its own Noryl bypass keeping you from making a mistake there.

    If you're smart you will install a three ball valve bypass to the plumbing in addition to the bypass on the control valve. That way, if the valve bypass ever requires service you will still have water to the house while waiting on parts or repair.

    ALWAYS get a top basket and gravel underbed REGARDLESS of what the seller tells you. They are there to make a profit not to sell you what is best for you.

    Percentage of resin crosslink won't matter cause you are not on a chlorinated water system HOWEVER the quality of the resin matters a lot. Stay away from no name or anonymous resin and get a brand name resin like Purolite or Sybron or Dow. NSF approval is not an indication of quality.

    Invest in a small (350va or so) computer UPS (NOT a surge-spike protector) for the softener. It will protect the control valve from power spikes and brown-outs and maintain power for a limited time during an outage.

    With your modest 7 GPM SFR requirement I'd consider a Fleck 9100SXT softener with twin resin tanks. As your family grows it will simply regenerate more often and there's no reserve to bother with. Set up to run with an efficient salt dose that would work nicely.

    Lastly, living on a well be prepared to have your water tested at least annually cause well water conditions change and bacteria and nitrates can come and go. Success living on a well is to make the water nice and make the water safe.

    This post was edited by justalurker on Thu, Apr 24, 14 at 9:52

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thank you for the thoughtful post justalurker! I do plan on installing a 3 valve bypass. Will request top basket and gravel bed as well, along with Purolite resin. The area where the softener will be going is a little "tight", and would be difficult to facilitate a twin resin tank. Therefore, will likely go with the Fleck 7000SXT and likely get the 12x48" tank (2 cuft), which would be able to accomodate an extra family member. If my family grows beyond a total of 4 several years down the road (unlikely but who knows?) will live with more frequent regenerations (every ~5-6 days instead of 7) until the softener dies, then will upsize with the next one. With the 7000 SXT with 1" connections on the noryl bypass, will plan on getting Falcon 3/4"x 1" hoses to make the transition from my existing 3/4" copper plumbing.

    Thanks again for the input! Once I get the valve I will post the settings, along with the BLFC sticker information, to see if you guys would help me fine tune it.

    Thanks again!

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would try real hard to make the twin fit. Far superior in your circumstances but if a 2 cube single is your choice... let us know how it works out.

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I will measure the area out tonight to see if I can squeeze it in. With programming the twin tank system, would I have the ability to use/regen 1 tank only for the time being (to be more efficient), and then add in the use of the 2nd tank in the future when our increased water demands would require it? That way I would not be using extra salt over the next couple years until our family grows.

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The point of a twin is that there is soft water 24/7 and it regenerates immediately on demand and switches to the other resin tank so, no.

    You would short salt the softener as if it were smaller and when water when water demands increase you reprogram the 9100SXT.

    Don't worry about wasting water cause each twin resin tank would be (should be if you size it right) smaller than the 2 cube tank you think is the correct size in a single tank softener.

    This post was edited by justalurker on Thu, Apr 24, 14 at 18:39

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Measured the area where the softener will go (in between the well pressure tank and the hot water heater) and have about 39" of width available to work with, which unfortunately won't be able to accommodate the twin. Next best option appears to be the 2 cube 7000. Thanks for all of the suggestions justalurker, I appreciate it! WIll let you guys know when I get the unit to see if you would help me optimize the settings.

    Thanks again!

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Received the unit today. BLFC sticker on back says 0.125 GPM

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Enter Master Programming Mode

    1. DF=Gal

    2. VT = St2b

    3. CT=Fd

    4. NT=1

    5. C=48

    6. H=24

    7. RS=SF

    8. SF=15

    9. RC=0 (You are using a % reserve rather than a fixed reserve)

    10. CR=0

    11. DO=10

    12. RT=2:00 (or another convenient time when you won’t be using water for a couple of hours)

    13. Regeneration cycle step times
      BW1=12
      BD=75
      BW2=7
      RR=10
      BF=43

    14. Ensure all days are set to ON, unless you have a specific day of the week when you do not want the softener to regen.

    15. CD doesn’t matter unless you set a day to OFF in step 14.

    16. FM You shouldn’t have to change this

    17. doesn’t matter

    Exit Master Programming Mode.

    Pour 7 gallons of water into the brine tank. Add salt - enough to cover the water is fine. Check your salt level weekly an add as needed.

    Reset your clock to actual time.

    At this point it’s a good idea to force the softener to step through the regen steps. There is no need to allow each step to complete. Just leave it in each step long enough to verify that the valve has changed position then move on to the next until you are back in service mode.

    Enjoy your soft water.