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Advice needed on questionable door replacement

20 years ago

We had to replace a triple door leading to our deck and one leading out from our bedroom to the deck. The contractor measured 4 times and we signed our contract on March 6, 2006. We agreed to pay extra for a better quality door in order to have ones that fit the current space. The doors arrived and both were too small for the openings. Unfortunately the exisiting doors were already removed. The workers blamed the boss and went ahead and put in the triple glass door. We lived with tarp over the bedroom for 4 weeks until the right sized one could be shipped. A door rep came out to address lingering issues and finally 5 months later both doors and screen are done.

I have one nagging worry. The door rep looked at some pics I had taken and said, "They should never use foam to shore up a door." There are shims all around the door, but a lot of spray in foam on the sides. Has anyone ever had a problem with doors due to shrinkage or breakdown of the foam? Thanks for any help?

Kim

Comments (6)

  • 20 years ago

    The foam should simply be for insulation purposes. The shims will be the actual installation points---and that is fairly standard procedure---unless the foam was the spray type that expands. That can cause problems with the alignmant i=of sides/top---but those problems will show when the foam hardens---not even days later.

  • 20 years ago

    Thanks for the advice, handymac. I added a pic. The foam was used on mostly on the sides. I am pretty sure it was the expanding foam he used. The door rep had to do something to the door so that it would finally close properly, or in this case better than it was. It still feels off a bit since we have to give it a push. Plus some water always puddles at the corner of the sill, leading me to believe that the door may not be completely straight. *Sigh* It was not an inexpensive job, so I am hoping the doors hold up for the long run. Thanks again.
    {{!gwi}}

  • 20 years ago

    Sorry about the size of the photo. When I post pics on the KT, they come out much smaller. Ugh.

    Kim

  • 20 years ago

    Kim,

    My 12 year old could have done a better job. That door looks like it was mis-measured AGAIN! I'm surprised they didn't use 2x's for shims. Unbelievable.

    Bob

  • 20 years ago

    That is atrocious!!!! I've installed several sliders, built the entire door frame for French doors and installed a lot of single doors-----and even my first job was much better than that!!!!!

    Shims intended for use in installing doors/windows are an inch and a half wide and ten inches long, about a quarter inch thick at the big end. I seldom need more than four on any side---more than four and I add a 1x4 or other filler piece.

    That door frame has been broken by the foam---it is obviously the expanding type. As mentioned before, that door assembly is also too small for the rough opening.

    Rough openings for prehung doors are generally 2" wider/taller than the door itself. For example, a RO for a door( The actual door is measured, not the frame) that is 36" wide and 80" tall would be 82" high and 38" wide. That leaves about an inch or less clearance on each side and the top.

    If it were my house---that door would be replaced and competent installers hired.

  • 20 years ago

    Wow. That is a great picture to use to teach people how NOT to install a door. Horrendous!

    I would accept nothing less than ripping it out and starting over, along the lines of what handymac recommends. But I usually shoot for a quarter to a half-inch space around the door in the rough opening. I get nervous using more than a couple of shims on each side, more out of general principles than any specific concern, though by comparison to the above four shims would still be more than acceptable. One guiding principle I use in my work, and to evaluate the work of others, is how it looks -- if the work looks pleasing to the eye, it was probably done correctly. If not, it could be good, but is more likely to be bad.

    2x6's as door shims. Now I've seen everything!