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Is this what a mitered granite edge should look like?

11 years ago

We paid our granite fabricators for a mitered granite edge, which I assumed would have a barely visible seam. Our seam is just below the top of the countertop and is quite visible. Is this truly what a mitered seam should look like?

Also, there is what looks like some weird brown staining on another edge of the island. Is this normal? It won't come off, but it doesn't look like any other part of our granite and I definitely didn't see it when we picked out our slab. It was hard to get a good pictures of it, so if you can't see what I'm talking about, I'm sorry. You can see the staining best on the right side of the picture and if you can blow up the picture it might help.





Comments (33)

  • 11 years ago

    I am sure the experts will weigh in but that doesn't look like any mitered edge I have seen. Here a a couple google images that illustrate a mitered edge.


  • PRO
    11 years ago

    That's not a miter, it's a rabbet with a poorly color matched adhesive. It would look better with a larger edge profile

  • 11 years ago

    My mitered edges look like badgergal's drawings. No seam is visible.

    Sorry, I can't post pictures. I am a total luddite.

  • 11 years ago

    A mitered edge seam is at the edge, like in the above drawings, and hardly noticeable. Did your granite guy show you any examples of edges? Often mitered edges are charged extra so check on this. Hope you can get this resolved.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    snookers1999:

    How long was your sink clamped as shown in the picture? I ask because guys that don't mechanically fasten sinks clamp them like that overnight or so. I clamp them like that for about 10 minutes while I tighten the Hercules Universal Sink Harness. Check your sink for mechanical fasteners, please.

  • 11 years ago

    definitely NOT a mitered edge. can't see the staining you mention because picture is too small for me.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    I am a fabricator.

    Thats not a mitered edge ... and not a particularly good example of a laminated drop edge. The "stain" looks like a repair of a chipped edge that was done poorly.

    This is what a good mitered edge looks like:


  • 11 years ago

    Nope, that is definitely not a mitered edge!

  • 11 years ago

    I have a question - why would someone want/need an edge in granite such as the OP posted?


  • 11 years ago

    blfenton, it's needed when the granite is 2 cm and they want the edge to be thicker.

  • 11 years ago

    sjhockeyfan - sorry I guess I wasn't exact enough in my question. I was wondering why the seam was set so high. Our bathroom granite was built up but the seam is at the midway point and you can't even see it. Perhaps it depends on the type of granite.


  • PRO
    11 years ago

    blfenton:

    It does depend on the type of granite; the movement and the particulates. Too many fabricators don't test joints, profiles, and adhesives for color match.

  • 11 years ago

    We had the granite guys over last night and they said that they miter the edge but then they cut of the ends of each edge because according to them where the granite the meets on the edge that is mitered it is to chipped up to look good. So what they do is miter the edges but then go along each edge and cut it occ so that the "chipped" edge is taken off the granite and leaves it looking smoother. However, as you can obviously tell from the picture, this leaves you with a seam slightly down from the edge of the granite. According to them, granite of any type cannot have a true miter do to the corners becoming chipped in the process. Only engineered stone, marble, etc. can be truly mitered and have the seem in the edges and corners. Are they pulling my leg?

  • 11 years ago
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    I'm not a professional but have seen enough botched mitered edges on this forum to know they are pulling your leg. As the professionals said & your granite guys said "it's not a mitered edge." It's too bad they didn't tell you that before they fabricated your tops. A sample of what they were going to do would have given you the option of a different edge profile. What now? Is it too unsightly to live with (hard to tell from your pics)? Are they offering any fixes for the "stained" chip repairs?

  • 11 years ago

    I have no clue as to how this could be fixed but I would want the edge I asked for. I would make them take out all the counters in question and do it properly. If they can't, get your money back and hire someplace else.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    "Are they pulling my leg?"

    Concentrate and you will feel them tugging.

    Their "reasoning" makes little sense. If they want proof, I can take them to hundreds of granite shops that fabricate true miters.

    I'd put a bevel or rounded edge profile on a sample of your material and adhesive to see if this is salvageable. The profile must stop just before the glue line or you risk elongation which will make things worse.

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    BS! Here is a closeup I just took of mine:


  • 11 years ago

    "Concentrate and you will feel them tugging."


    Perfect!

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    " According to them, granite of any type cannot have a true miter do to the corners becoming chipped in the process"

    this is just incorrect. See my pic above. That is a 4" mitered drop edge with a mitered corner to boot. you can't even see the seam where the mitered pieces meet up close in person. Properly done a mitered joint looks like solid stone except for a possible grain transition (which is minimized if the sawing is done properly)

  • 11 years ago
    They are telling the truth, but that doesn't make the truth right. Their reasoning for cutting a 1/4" off the faces is translated to "oh crap we shouldn't have tried to 45 bianco antico." And now they are trying to pass it off. There are tricks to putting 45 degrees on chippy stones like this but this company needs to stick to sandwich laminations till they figure that out! They can still salvage the tops but from a home owners perspective it's not their problem wether it's salvageable or not it's supposed to go in right the first time, and they will probably recreate the same problems. Im curious to how this will play out.
  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If they don't have the proper equipment and or experience then it probably is impossible for them.

    The should have told you up front that they have problems with mitered edges and let you decide what you want to do.

    I'd have them bring you a check and remove their shoddy work.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    firstmmo I have a question on the photo you shared — beautiful countertop and cabinets BTW! For your mitered edge, were those specially ordered cabinets for the countertop, or did you have to raise the countertops up a bit? (Or you wouldn't be able to open the drawer) Thanks!

  • 9 years ago

    Danielle Sopko I was getting ready to ask this same question before I saw that you did already! I'd love to know the answer to this too- let me know if you find out!

  • 9 years ago
    The cabinets are made to the same height and specifics as any other cabinet you would use. The countertop itself will be raised if you use a mitered edge, usually by a hidden piece of plywood underneath. whoever installs your countertop will take care of this.
  • 9 years ago

    snookers1999 thank you so much! Did everything work out for you in the end? (I know this is a super old thread)

  • 9 years ago
    The company was awful the deal with, they insisted that they did nothing wrong which obviously wasn't the case. In the end we were in a hurry to get into our house so they agreed to give us the granite at a discounted price. I hope their rudeness was worth the extremely negative review we left on the internet for them.
  • 9 years ago

    Yes, they put in an extra piece of plywood because I chose such a thick edge, but we actually factored in the extra 5/8" plywood when we designed the height of the cabinets too, so that the final counter height was the height that we wanted--I am only 5'2" so my counters would usually be shorter but I designed them for a taller (average) person so they have a finished height of 37.5".

  • 9 years ago

    snookers1999 UGH, I'm always blown away by companies that are ok with negative reviews being left rather than just doing the right thing. Word of mouth/reviews are so important these days- especially with everything so easily accessible online... You would think they'd care. I'm glad they at least gave you some of your money back. The least they could do.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    LVasquez:


    It isn't getting a bad review that's bad, it's how the company responds to the bad review that can be. I've get a few every now and then and I wouldn't remove them even if I could. If you read a bad review of me and don't want to do business with me after hearing my response, I'm glad we found out we weren't right for each other ahead of time.

  • 9 years ago

    Joseph Corlett, LLC A very good point. I wonder what the company that snookers1999 dealt with says to people when they're asked about the bad review. I'm sure they just explain it away somehow. Really unfair. :(

  • 9 years ago

    They did a standard square edge. The mitered edge cost more. My kitchen company suggested I do that one because with mitered edge i would not have warranty because it chips easily.

  • PRO
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It only chips easily if you don't pick a more rounded edge profile. Mitering or stacking has nothing to do with chipping.