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Layout help; long post

10 years ago

Hi all. I had another post asking about blind corners and angled cabinets. Some posters suggested I post my layout so they could make suggestions. I did a sketch. I am not comfortable posting the plans I have from contractors b/c I haven't chosen anyone yet. The kitchen is a U-shape. Is approx 141-1/2 inches on two sides and 112-1/2 inches on the bottom of the U. When you look into the kitchen from the entry hall, on the left wall, we have and will continue to have 27 inch double ovens and 3 inches of filler next to wall, a 24 inch pantry, a 36 inch counter depth fridge (inside a panel that adds about 1.5 inches) and then some cabinets which are 24 inches on bottom and 36 inches above. This is where I think I want to put an over the counter microwave in the uppers. That would leave me with about a 12 inch upper cabinet. I think I should drawers under this.


On the right wall, there is a pass through window/breakfast bar. Currently, the sink isn't centered in that pass through window. A couple of designers suggested centering the sink. It is a 36 inch cabinet now, but we plan to shrink it to 33 inches. We will have our 24 inch dishwasher on this wall and want to add a trash pullout. We will need to move the dishwasher to the left of the sink (I guess) and put the pullout on the right. We will have drawers as the base of the first set of cabinets, then trash, then sink, then DW, then, not sure what to do with the rest of the space, which I believe is 12 inches. That is one of our issues--the sink.


Finally, the wall you see directly when looking in, is the bottom of the U. We have a 36 cooktop and a stainless hood above. We currently have two sets of uppers on either side of the hood. One designer thinks we should make a single door on either side that has the opening towards the stove so that it is easier to grab the oils, etc. That would leave either a blind cabinet or we need to door a hinged corner door. This is where we are having trouble.


We also want to have some glass front cabs. We are thinking the two sets on either side of the pass through. I don't want them next to range b/c I like to use those cabinets for oils, spices, sauces, etc. Ugly stuff!


Let me know if you have more questions. The main thing we are trying to figure out is what to do with the cabinets in the corner. My husband doesn't like the piano hinge doors. Here is the current layout. It is not perfect. See where sink is. We will slide over. That causes us to move the dishwasher to the left of the sink. Then, we are left with 12 inches, I think. Also, I think my note on this is misleading. I say cabs 30 in the top corner. The base cabinets are 36 inches, I think. The uppers are more like 30 because they stop at the opening. Thanks for the help. Sorry if this is confusing! If it is too tough, I can wait until I can use contractor's plans.


Comments (18)

  • 10 years ago

    Don't get hung up on centering the sink. No reason it has to be. Keep the DW on the right side of the sink.

  • 10 years ago

    Funny you say this. I kind of think the same thing. From the other side, all you see is a little bit of faucet. Not a big deal. And, the view is better when it is off-center. Thanks for input!

  • 10 years ago

    1. I'm very happy w/ my decision to dead-corner one of my corners. I used the 3drawer base cabinet in that place so much more than the blind corner I have at the other corner. So worth losing that useless space.

    2. Can you put in a cabinet that opens from the other room (what room is the sink pass-through?)

    3. is your fridge standard or count-depth? (note: counterdepth fridge = more expensive)

    if standard, I would suggest pulling out the rest of those flanking cabinets out/deeper to be flushed w/ the fridge (so the fridge doesn't look like it's sticking out).

    1. consider an appliance garage next to the fridge. not trying to toot my horn, but in case this is helpful:


    amanda's double decker appliance garage, and extra deep cabinets to be flushed with fridge


    Amanda

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks, Amanda. I am definitely thinking about dead-cornering one side. I think drawers would be better as well. I looked at your appliance garage. I have been thinking about one. Also, it is a counter depth fridge. We are going to try to push it back even a bit further possibly by going into the wall a bit. The other side of the kitchen is built in bookcases that already have doors. Good idea, though.

  • 10 years ago
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    Is this a new build ir a remodel?

    Can you post a floor plan of the whole floor this is on? It is so hard to make sensible suggestions without context.

    What is it about piano hinges that your husband doesn't like? And is this a burning hatred he could never live with or a mild preference?

  • 10 years ago

    Jillius, good questions. It is a mild preference, I think. More like something he has never seen and we have never had. Our current cabinets are inset, so our Lazy Susan door just goes into the cabinet. I was thinking I might try to go see this type of cabinet somewhere to try it out.

    I will try to add some context to the plan. Basically, the foyer is outside the entrance to the kitchen and the dining room is outside the pass through (with bookshelves on either side of pass through). The dining room flows right into living area (all one room--condo). It is a condo that is about 18 years old. If this doesn't make sense, I will try to add a little floor plan later. Thanks!

  • 10 years ago

    Take your DH to a cabinet showroom that you know has examples of piano hinges (check it out ahead of time) so he can see them in action. My DH is an engineer (they tend to be very focused on technical, function issues) and mine has no issues with our two piano hinged cabinets.

  • 10 years ago

    My kitchen has the same layout as yours, with the center of the U 116.5." The goal is to have two stand easily side by side on either side of the cooktop. With an angled cabinet in that small of a space, it crowds you in. This is the voice of experience from someone who lives with the layout you are proposing in the same size kitchen. I like it for me in a single cook kitchen. However, don't do it in your kitchen since there are two of you using it.

    Regarding the corners, I have what is called an Easy Reach base cabinet in the right corner. It has the dreaded bifold door. Mine is 33" along both back walls which results in about a 9" wide diagonal opening at the front. The top shelf is recessed back. Wider items can be inserted vertically and then rotated back inside the cabinet. I use it to store cookie sheets and baking pans on one side, and very large casseroles, cake stands, etc. I really like it, and it makes maximum use of your storage space. Since this cabinet is not high use, the bifold hinges aren't a big deal. If you have the space for a 33 x 36 or a 36 x 36 corner cabinet, this makes the opening wider and is a wonderful cabinet. I would look at them at the store and even take some items you would store there to try out the opening, if you become interested. Otherwise my vote is for the closed corner or the Super Susan with the rotating door.

    I haven't seen your entire floor plan, but based on the location of the pass through by the sink, I would place your glass cabinet on the left side of the U where it can be seen best at a distance through the large opening on the opposite side. This is where I placed my glass door cabinet. It serves as a display china cabinet for my additional dishes that aren't used on a daily basis and is the focal point of my kitchen. With your kitchen, you may want to make the center of your U the focal point with an awesome range hood.

    What is on the other side of the wall where the cooktop is currently located? I'm thinking of someone on this forum who recessed her fridge completely into the wall at that location and turned hers into a galley kitchen. It's one of my favorite kitchens in terms of looks and functional layout.

    It sounds like you and your husband need to see different cabinets in action before making your decision about the corners.

  • 10 years ago

    Did you see Deedles' kitchen reveal?

    These links may give you some more ideas.

    Corner relief space

    Cab on casters

    Hidden storage

    On the fridge wall, consider having (from the wall) pantry-fridge-ovens so you'll have landing near the ovens and fridge would still be not too far from the counter. When there is limited landing space around tall appliances/cabs I think ovens should have priority.

  • 10 years ago

    Great, thoughtful comments. Thanks! The other side of the cooktop is another condo! The suggestion for moving the ovens is interesting. I will say, that we RARELY use the ovens. Unfortunately, we replaced very old double ovens when we didn't think we would be redoing the whole thing. Otherwise, I would have gotten the MW and oven instead of two ovens. I really appreciate all the suggestions. It is so set in my mind the way it is; I don't think of all these other options.

  • 10 years ago

    I'm so glad you readily agreed to keep the DW to the right of the sink. Nothing worse than a DW between sink and range, your prime prep space. Is it possible to move the sink to where the DW is and then move the DW farther to the right? This would accomplish two things: (1) more prep counter, always a good thing; and (2) give more room for two people to work at the same time, one cooking and one doing clean-up, without accidentally bonking into each other.

  • 10 years ago

    I am open to DW on either side. The way that the kitchen has been working is that normally one person is making an egg or something on the cooktop and using the counter between the sink and the stove. Another person is often in the kitchen cutting fruit or making a sandwich or something on the right side of the sink. With the sink where it is now (not centered in pass through), the person near stove is kind of jammed in there. Clean up isn't a big deal like it is in my home kitchen. We don't use tons of dishes and run dishwasher once every few days (not like home, where I run it almost every day). I love all the points you all make. Thank you!!!

  • 10 years ago

    One more thing, we need lots of food storage space. If anything, I would like a bigger pantry...

  • 10 years ago
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    You have a LOT of stuff in a fairly small space. While I also like wall ovens, it seems like that's the easiest thing to eliminate for bigger pantry and larger corner storage.

    If you move the fridge over to the right and take out the ovens, you should have about 36" of pantry space. That also gives you room for your 24" cabinet with microwave above and Lazy Susans in each corner.

    There might also be space for pull-out spice and oil storage, on each side of the range. These and the LS will make up for some of the storage you're going to lose under the cooktop.

    For the pass through, I would center the sink, but move the dishwasher over and have 24" lowers on each side of the 'clean up' area...if the sketch is accurate. Hope this helps :)


  • 10 years ago

    Have you thought about using corner drawers instead of super susans? I have a few friends that love their corner drawers.


  • 10 years ago

    Lavendar, unfortunately, we just purchased the cooktop and the ovens, so we are using them! It was poor planning. We thought we were just going to live with the kitchen cabs, so we updated appliances. Now we want to update the cabinets and counters, etc. Honestly, when we decided to do that, we were just going to leave the footprint the way it is and add trash pullout. That kind of changes stuff, though. The contractors have provided some good options, but I am open to suggestions--especially on the corners! Thanks for the time you took to work on my layout.

    Kalapointer, thanks for that suggestion. I have seen them here. Might be an option...

  • 10 years ago

    I would think that if you sold the double ovens on craigslist, you should get enough from the sale to purchase a single oven to go under counter. If an oven won't go under your new cooktop, one could go under counter to the right of the refrigerator. Just something to think about since those appliances are eating up your kitchen space.

    Cheri127, I love everything about your kitchen. Have you done a reveal on GW yet?

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