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LP Range (duel fuel?) Lacanche, Bertrazzoni, Blue Star...?

11 years ago

Alright here is my situation. Any and all advice or recommendations would be greatly approciated! I had posted a question regarding Blue Star earlier but since there have been so many new levels added to this design I thought I would just start from scratch

We are currently converting a barn to a house in rural Manitoba, Canada. I will sacrifice many things from the plan in order to make sure we get the range right! We are a large family and I cook tonnes,if I have to use the term foodies I will but maybe in a bit more of a rural sense of the word (lol) we grow lots of our own food, can tonnes, make yogurt and cheese, all our own bread, dehydrate stuff... The list goes on.

Some important parts to my decision..I definitely want a range and not a range top plus wall ovens, my husband is making the cabinets so minimum 48" but we can go bigger, the less electronics the better, bonus points for anything you can use when the power is out.

Before we were seriously looking I always thought we would go with Blue Star however we have since realized that we will have to run our range on LP gas and because Blue Star doesn't have a duel fuel range, and I'm not sure how much propane all gas ovens would use, I waivered. Obviously the BS Range top gets great reviews but the ovens seem to get mixed reviews. I would call the Platinum reviews mixed overall...

Thought of the Capital but think it sounds to gimmicky..maybe service issues?

I now think I have moved the Changy 1400 to the top of the list. On top of loving how it looks I think we would use the warming cupboard for tonnes of stuff as well as the grilling oven. We wont put in a microwave as we gave ours up years ago and haven't missed it but the idea of the one tiny oven to quickly warm stuff up sounds awesome to me. The burners are slightly less powerful then the BS but none of the Lacanche owners on here seem to find that to be a concern. Despite the reassurances of the sales guy from the French Barn I am still a little worried about the smaller ovens though. One option I thought of was to get the Rully and the Vougeot and just put them beside each other to get the larger ovens...thoughts? Really like that we could get one oven out of four that would be gas and could be lit manually if the power was out (which seems to happen regularly around here)

Recently had a sales guy throw Bertrazzoni on the list for us. I think they look great but haven't found out as much about them as some other options. Any Berta owners out there that would like to tell me their experiences?

Have not seriously looked at Wolf although I know they are an obviouse choice. Mainly because they are close to the price (maybe more?) of the Lacanche but you only get 2 ovens not 4 (yes I know the ovens of the Changy are smaller but the second oven in the 48" wolf is not very big either)

I know Dacor can do duel fuel LP but I'm not sure I like how they look and since my range will be huge and kind of the main attraction in the kitchen I want to love it's form and function!

Miele just announced LP ranges also but their 48" comes with an electric oven and a speed oven. I know there are lots of speed oven lovers out there but I don't think its for us.

Have I missed any ranges that should be on this list?

Also if there are any LP gas range owners out there that want to let me know if they have duel fuel or all gas I would love to hear thoughts on this!

Thanks in advance for all the help! I have definitely been spending bit of time on here, trying to make an educated desision... Ok more then a bit of time lol

Comments (12)

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    How large of a tank are you using? Propane converts to roughly 22k Btu's per lb (so you could power 1 burner at full power, for 1 hour on a blue star approximately) Many oven burners are 20-30k btu's for the bake and 15-20k for the broil. So I would say you would average 1 - 1.5lbs of propane per hour of using the oven.


  • 11 years ago

    I can't remeber how big the tank is. I understand there are a few different sizes available for this purpose. That was very useful info though, I'll go do some math :) thanks!

  • 11 years ago

    Have you looked at an AGA range? Gas burners & electric ovens…multiple size ovens.


  • 11 years ago

    We have not looked at the AGA Range. I have however looked at an AGA cooker, either TC5 or TC3 + Companion. For a while I thought I really wanted to talk my hubby into this but decided I was too scared of the lack of control over the oven temps. Also the hottest oven does not go very hot. I regularly bake rustic style loaves where I heat the oven to 550 and steam and I'm not sure how I would do this in the AGA. The other thing that scares me about this is the amount of fuel on of these would use. It doesn't sound like an AGA is available in LPG so would this option skyrocket my electricity bills? Also I'm having trouble deciding what the difference is between the DC and the TC. That all said people who have them seem to love them as much as Lacanche owners!

  • 11 years ago

    I am looking at the Legacy 36 with gas burners & electric oven. I like the 7-Mode Multifunction Oven & it has a separate 2300 watt broiler oven with a side oven with multiple racks. It can either use natural gas or LP which is what I will have to use. I normally won't cook a 22 lb + turkey but I do cook multiple side dishes. Plus it comes in cool colors.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks M, yes the only range I have found that will say you can light the oven with the power out is the Lacanche (different ignitor system then most as far as I can tell) I glad to hear you like baking in the Blue Star ovens, which model do you have? How do you find the burners? Too hot, or just right? I have heard both. Out of curiosity what is the max oven temp? and do you have a 48" and if so how useful is the smaller oven?

  • 11 years ago

    I have the RNB30, as there wasn't more space in our kitchen. I would kill for a 48", but that will have to wait until we remodel the kitchen, assuming that ever happens.

    I reconfigured the burners so that we have two 22kBTU and two 15kBTU burners. I find that I personally don't use simmer burners very often. I use a single 22kBTU burner about 50% of the time. Two 22kBTU burners 30% of the time. And three or all four burners the remaining 20% of the time. Every once in a while, I cook larger dinners, and I really would like to have more burners, though.

    I can leave a stew or a soup on the 22kBTU burner to simmer slowly, and I can even make things such as sauce hollandaise without setting up a double boiler. But the latter does require a little bit of skill. So, your personal preference might be different and maybe you'll really like the simmer burner.

    If I was fortunate enough to have a six burner range, I probably wouldn't have bothered about replacing the simmer burner, but as is, I am very happy with our configuration. We've had it for about five years now, and it replaced a Viking that came with the house -- what an unbelievable step up!

    The 22kBTU burners are awesome. Food cooked in the wok finally feels fried and not just steamed. It still doesn't get quite the same "burned" taste that restaurants manage, but I think that requires a lot more BTU than can be installed in a residential kitchen.

    Also, I have a couple of pots/pans that kind of require that I heat them up to full heat once, before I can start cooking (e.g. my rolled carbon steel skillet and my cast iron pots). With the 22kBTU that happens in no time and I don't even need to think about it anymore.

    I use the full size oven all the time. If I had two ovens, I probably would find good use for the smaller oven, but as is I have gotten used to needing a minimum 20min pre heat time; it just requires planning ahead.

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  • 11 years ago

    My oven thermometer tells me that the maximum temperature is somewhere between 450 and 500⁰F. It doesn't quite make it all the way up to 500⁰F. For baking artisan breads, the top temperature is just about good enough, although I certainly wouldn't have minded if the oven went just a bit higher. I wonder, whether this is something that can be adjusted?

    Pizza turns out great too, but it does take a little bit of planning. It probably would work even nicer, if the temperature went up another 100⁰F or so, but I don't think that's really an option in most residential ovens.

    I can't really think of many other foods that need the top end of the temperature range. Most baked goods are firmly in the middle around 350-400⁰F. And for all other cooking, slow-n-low often yields superior results.

    The low end of the temperature range is around 150⁰, I think. But I haven't measured it precisely. It's unfortunately too high to proof yeast :-( So, I have to turn on the oven briefly and then turn it off and make use of the residual heat.

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  • 11 years ago

    I have a 48" BlueStar with grill on LP. I have a large propane tank and it only needs to be filled twice a year. We use the range daily and I use both ovens a lot. If you have a large enough tank, you will only need it filled periodically.

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  • 11 years ago

    Thanks again for your detailed response M! Those are really the only 2 things that I can think of that I regularly use the oven so hot for but I still feel like it's a consideration because its so much a part of our routine. The low temp was more out of curiosity. I think my preference in burners is some options, but those high heat ones sure would make me love my wok even more :)


    Thanks gw_monkeyjac that is exactly the info I was hoping for in regards to the propane. Out of curiosity do you know how big the tank is? Thanks!

  • 11 years ago

    I believe it's 250 gallons.

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