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Help needed for dwarf jade bonsai tree

11 years ago

Hello,

I recently purchased a variegated dwarf jade (Portulacaria afra 'Variegata') from a bonsai nursery here in Denver. I pruned it fairly heavily over a few days and put it into a bonsai pot with specific fast draining bonsai soil that was given to me at the nursery. I did not do anything to the roots when I re-potted it. It is on a south facing window sill and I generally leave the window cracked in order to keep the room a little bit cooler, though the plant is on the other side of the window, away from the draft from the open part. I water only when the soil feels completely dry (which ends up being about once a week since Colorado is extremely dry and it has been about 90 degrees each day for the last few weeks). Lately I've been noticing the leaves shriveling or looking wrinkled, and some have turned completely brown, dried out, shriveled up, and fallen off. They are also starting to look more yellow than previously. There is slow release fertilizer in the original soil that the tree came in from the nursery. Am I over watering? Could this be root rot? Too much sun? How do I help my tree? (Pictures of the problems below)



Thank you!

Comments (23)

  • 11 years ago

    Portulacaria do best with very little water after a repot, until they start growing again. Once it s used to the pot and you are watering regularly, once/week doesn't seem automatically alarming. Of course, that's in a proper-no potting soil- mix. Truly it is hard to tell w/o actually being there to see/feel. With all of the desiccation of leaves, if it were mine and I was sure I was not watering too much, I would be patient; if there is a real chance the soil is moist all the time, I would remove the soil and check for rot. Cut any rot away, let sit out of soil for several days, repot in a gritty mix with zero potting soil, water once then very stingily until growing again, and keep it in a semi-shady place until growing again.

  • 11 years ago

    Btw, why are there roots above the soil and big...cracks...in the soil(last picture).

    foxemilyw thanked breathnez
  • 11 years ago

    Hi,

    Thanks for your help. I am positive the soil is not moist all of the time as I have thoroughly checked to make sure even the center area is dry before watering. I can't seem to get the original soil it was in to bond with the new soil I was given at the nursery. Perhaps I need to pot it deeper? I'm not sure what is going on but there is a definite separation between the old soil and the new soil. Do I need to rake out the roots? You're speaking to a complete amateur just so you know.

  • 11 years ago

    Try to use something gentle to remove all old soil, then let sit out of soil for a few days to let any wounds callous over, then repot in the new soil. Repeat the process of watering only when all dry until you see new growth. It's kind of like a game of Chicken with the plant- you want it to grow, it's taking its time and meanwhile leaves are shriveling and falling off, who will blink first? :-]

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  • 11 years ago

    I have now removed all of the old soil and this is how the plant looks. It seems like it does not have very many roots. Is this normal? Do I need to trim the roots? Do I need to wire the tree down in the pot?

    I will leave it out of the pot and in the shade for a few days and then pot it in new soil. How long after re-potting it should I water? I've read that with jade plants you are not supposed to water right after potting them to encourage new root growth. Is this true? Thank you all for your help! I love this plant and want to keep it as healthy as possible.


  • 11 years ago

    Oh, man, that's a great way to kill one of these plants!

    These do NOT need to dry out, nor will they tolerate drying out, as much as an actual Jade plant. I would get it into a fast-draining mix immediately and water it thoroughly. If you can put it in outdoor bright shade for a few days, that'll help, too. Keep the mix moist.

    I imagine that the plant will be dropping leaves....

    Josh

  • 11 years ago

    So do you think that the wrinkled/shriveling leaves are from under watering?

  • 11 years ago

    Yes, I sure do. I actually have one of mine in a drip-tray, and it sucks the water up.
    In that small bonsai pot, you'll probably be watering every 2 - 3 days during the Summer.

    Back when I started growing these, I thought they needed to "dry out," especially in the Winter. So I'd let them go a week, and I'd notice dried falling leaves. Well, I finally started watering them more frequently, and the leaves stopped falling.

    These plants are quite communicative. They'll tell you if they're over or under watered. Yellow leaves falling off equals overwatering; dried leaves falling off equals underwatering.

    Josh

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  • 11 years ago

    I'm with Josh on this.

    I don't keep mine dry. I followed the conventional advice & my plant's leaves shrivelled & eventually each time I brushed my hand across it, it would just shatter =/

    It's in a gritty mix, so I soaked the pot once or twice a week & it bounced back & started to put on new growth.

    I have several now, all from cuttings from the first plant. Only one of them is in a gritty mix, the others are doing very well in a commercial succulent mix cut with perlite 1:1

    All are doing well now that I'm not trying to keep it dry but it's easier for me to keep up with the ones not in straight up gritty.

  • 11 years ago

    Care sheet from respected site:

    http://www.bonsaitoolchest.com/download/dwarf_jade.pdf

    Jim Smith pioneered portulacaria as bonsai in this country. A quote from him:

    “Allow the soil to become dry before repotting and DO NOT WATER the plant immediately after potting.

    The existing leaves may even shrivel before new leaves appear. This is not a problem. If some of the old leaves drop, they will quickly be replaced.”

    Read more: http://www.bonsaimary.com/Jade-Bonsai.html#ixzz3eTLsv0jz

    These plants tolerate dry conditions more than crassula. 90% of mistakes with them tend to be from too much than too little water. I think I even invented a few of those mistakes...

  • 11 years ago

    No, Crassula ovata tolerate dry conditions better than these. The leaf-tissue of Port. afra is much more delicate, and the plant will defoliate far sooner than, say, a Jade plant.

    I used to blindly follow the advice to not water....but, truly, that advice is for people who are using inferior and heavy potting mixes, and who may be re-potting out of season. This time of year, when temps are high, plants should be watered into the new mix, and then not watered for 1 - 3 days.

    Further, in such small containers, standard advice doesn't quite apply.

    Josh

  • 11 years ago

    Due to conflicting advice, I decided to re-pot the tree in the fast draining soil I was given at the bonsai nursery and water the plant. It is now back in the south facing window. None of the roots are exposed as in the first pictures and it feels somewhat stable in the pot. It does wiggle some when moved. However, my question above was never answered. Does the root structure look okay? Does it have enough roots? Thank you all for your help! I really do want this tree to make it.

  • 11 years ago

    I'd also like to know how to proceed from here. Do I just wait until new growth appears? Should I keep it out of the sun? Should I fertilize? Should I be alarmed if it continues to drop leaves? Will it likely drop the leaves that have already started to wrinkle or will they plump back up?

  • 11 years ago

    The root-mass looked fine (healthy, and sufficient amount)....however, if you left the roots exposed for some time, it's possible that the thinner roots died....so, it's hard to say whether the transition will go smoothly from here on out.

    Josh

  • 11 years ago

    Fertilize in about a week.

    The wrinkled leaves will most likely drop.

    Josh

  • 11 years ago

    The roots were exposed for about an hour to an hour and a half. Is that too much time?

  • 11 years ago

    Impossible to say.

    Josh

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  • 11 years ago
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    If it has roots and you didn't chop off some thick roots, you can pot it and start watering immediately. They will tolerate a good bit of water in an aggregate medium.

    I have to disagree with Josh about their drought tolerance though. I have 8 foot tall ones in the ground and I have 4 foot tall jades in the ground on a southwest facing hillside and the C.ovata definitely show signs of drought first. They both have the same exposure and they are both well established as in decades established.

    edit: I noticed Josh mentioned defoliation. Yes P.afra will defoliate before C.ovata in response to drought, but that just makes the plant more drought tolerant.


  • 11 years ago

    I've left P.afra barerooted in SoCal heat for a week and then planted it without much trouble.

  • 11 years ago

    Nil, I'm a chicken. 3-4 days is all I can stand leaving them out of the soil. I put cinnamon on root cuts as an antifungal, something I learned from a South African friend.

    I think, foxe, one could conclude from all this that portulacaria is forgiving enough for some variation in approach. Just know that a lot of people have come to this forum having damaged/killed their succulent through too much water, but not near as many with problems from too little water.

  • 11 years ago

    It's not that I'm brave; I'm lazy and can fill trash bins with thinnings.

  • 11 years ago
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    Nice roots and plenty of them Watering concerns for the crowd: Fact is you've been doing something right in that area. My opinion it's pot bound in that pot ,it may need a bigger pot or you could toy around with some root flaring. Fact is smaller pots dry faster than a bigger pot and even faster on warmer days than on cooler days. I wouldn't leave it dry and out of the pot any longer than a misting cooler night.