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Wrong thin set and bad tile installation! Help!

11 years ago
I am in the middle of a master bath rehab. The tile sub that did this job, I just found out is not licensed! The first red flag was that he tiled the tub surround on drywall NOT CBU (which I think is IRC code). Also, I went back to the General Contractor (I checked his license before I signed the contract, so he is licensed) and told him that the tiles are not lined up properly and the tub surround issue needed fixing. I became suspicious of the tile job in general (doesn't look right), so I checked out the thin set product he used for the subway tile job in my shower. Then I called the product maker. Well low and behold the tile is attached to the CBU with the wrong product. NOW WHAT DO I DO? Does the whole shower need to be dismantled and rebuilt?

Here is what the company said: From: "Preo, Alicia"
Date: August 24, 2015 at 11:44:31 AM EDT
To: "sunshining@msn.com"
Subject: TEC Skill Set Natural Stone and large Tile Mortar



Hi Chris,


Thanks for calling today. Per our discussion, the TEC Skill Set Natural Stone and Large Tile Mortar is only meant to install tiles 16" x 16" and larger on floors only. It is not meant for tile smaller than 16" x 16" and it is not designed for vertical surfaces. This mortar provides good coverage and bond to large and heavy tile on a horizontal plane only. I've attached a copy of the Product Data Sheet which states this information. Here's a link to the information on the website: http://www.tecskillset.com/tile-installation-products/set-the-tile/floor-tile-mortar.html#.Vds1pPlVhBc

For vertical installations with natural stone or large tile, or even small porcelain or ceramic tile, the best choice in the TEC Skill Set line is TotalFlex Universal Mortar. The information on that product can be found here: http://www.tecskillset.com/tile-installation-products/set-the-tile/tile-mortar.html#.Vds7NflVhBc


Thanks,
Alicia Preo

Technical Specialist
HB Fuller Construction Products Inc.
phone: 800-832-9023
fax: 630-862-2585
www.hbfuller-cp.com



I contacted the company

Comments (20)

  • 11 years ago
    And it's not grouted yet!
  • 11 years ago
    Unfortunately, I think you have already answered your own question. Starting over is the only way to fix the lack of CBU, and you got the answer from the adhesive manufacturer on the use of the wrong adhesive. It also looks like they were not using any tile trim pieces around your shower niche...was that something you requested? Was the shower waterproofed properly before tiling was started? The bottom line is you are starting over as far as I can see.
  • 11 years ago
    I know that I have to rip out the tub surround to add CBU, but was hoping that I don't have to rip out the entire shower because the wrong thin set was used.

    I did see that he added the waterproof membrane,then CBU, taped the seams and Applied Red guard to waterproof and allowed it to dry for 2 days. before he tiled the shower. So the only place that he didn't add the CBU was around the tub surround.
  • 11 years ago
    I did request tile trim around the niche and spacers, which to my limited knowledge was not used.
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    The GC is responsible for his workers and he is now responsible for ripping this out and starting over a hard lesson learned by him and you. This is a mess .

  • 11 years ago
    The GC now wants to quit the job and refund all my money! But I told him that he is responsible and if he quits, I would get my attorney involved.

    I am also making him pull a permit for the work. Because I now want everything inspected to insure IRC compliance. I do have a contract that states all work must be up to code! I am in South Carolina.
  • 11 years ago
    I am not surprised he wants to quit given the state of things. I think I would be inclined to take his offer of a refund and let him walk. I'm not sure I would be interested in having a very disgruntled gc in my place. Bad energy that I just wouldn't want to work with any further. In an ideal world he would not have put a waterproof membrane under the cbu because with the redguard over the cbu it can create a sandwhich that prevents any dampness in the cbu from drying. It may never be an issue but it's not ideal. It sounds like your shower might be waterproof so maybe you are willing to live with it and see how the adhesive performs. The tub surround should be done over, but you can find someone else to do that. Ultimately it's up to you and what you are willing to go through to get there.
  • 11 years ago
    Sorry for this mess. Is that all the tile work that has been done? If yes, I would cut my losses and find another GC. You can try to get your money back, but do you really want to end up in court over this? The GC is responsible for his subs, but there sounds like there is more to the story. Why were you checking what kind of mortar and stuff was used? Why don't you call in the contractor right away if you suspected something was wrong?
    When you got quotes for the job, did you get referrals?
    He sounds a little shady and may be using unlicensed subs to cuts his costs.
  • 11 years ago
    Oh my, I didn't read he wants to refund your money. That is wonderful!Take the money! Get a few more bids for the job, get referrals, before picking another contractor.
  • 11 years ago
    What is it going to cost additional to demo his work? Maybe I will ask him to demo, refund my money and walk away!
  • 11 years ago
    Cut your losses, take the money and find a qualified contractor to demo and start over. You don't want him or his men on your property with this adversarial relationship.
  • 11 years ago
    Thank you everyone for your comments. He has agreed to refund me all the money. Time to move on and find a qualified tile installer!
  • 11 years ago

    Don't be too happy until you have the money in the bank. GC's doing work like this are generally broke.

    It seems the GC would be better off financially finishing the job than giving a refund.

  • 11 years ago

    And let's not forget to get a *lien release* when he refunds your money. If he has not paid any sub contractors they could put a lien on your home for payment.

  • 11 years ago
    Great advise! Will insist on one!
  • 11 years ago

    You can also post on the GardenWeb Bathroom forum (part of Houzz now), if you haven't done so yet. There are pros there that can help you with construction specifics.

  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Take the money and run next time better equipped to deal with contractors.

  • PRO
    11 years ago
    In Georgia at least, tile installers aren't licensed, and their work isn't part of the inspection process per se. General contractors are, from the looks of the scale of the project he should have insisted that a permit was pulled, it covers both of you. The tile layout is sloppy so I'm not surprised there are issues.

    Next time!
  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Oh no! :( I'm so sorry this happened! Here's hoping you can find a true professional to help and resolve this issue once and for all!