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GC sanity check (fee, time on site, expectations)

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

I just started a 6-month project in Los Angeles, under a cost plus fixed fee contract, a little under $60K of GC fee, on a job of $550k total construction budget including GC fee but excluding architect/engineer/city fees. This comes to 17% of subcontractor fees, excluding $150k of finish materials that I handle the ordering myself and he just needs to double check for specs (electrical fixtures, plumbing fixtures, wood floor, tiles, windows, doors, etc etc). My theoretical saving (on paper only since the project just started) is about $50k, i.e. a little less than 10%, compared to the lowest lump sum bid that I have got out of five bids. If any sub or some of the numbers that were not locked in don't pan out the saving could be less.

I found most of the subs and pay them directly. Completely open book. So far the GC hasn't been helpful with finding subs; he has recommended his one sub for each trade, but I found them too pricey. And that seems to be the extent of his network. I ended up interviewing and screening from Angie's list, Yelp, and some referrals from architects or other contractors. I have control over who to hire provided that they are licensed and insured.

The GC is easy enough to communicate with, but he is on the younger side and doesn't feel very established and in high demand. He provides warranty and liability insurance. My home owner policy covers fire and theft during construction (it's an addition to an existing home that we occupy). He had about 15 years of experience as a framer, foreman, and project manager for small developers. Seems experienced enough for our job. References were smaller renovations with lower budget, and the owners loved his attitude and had no complaints a couple of years later. I've visited one small addition that he built; the rest I've only seen photos. My architect and engineer are involved with site visits and inspections.

Questions:

(1) Is the GC fee reasonable considering the arrangement and qualification? Is it normal that I'm sourcing the subs?

(2) How much time did your GC spend on site? And when?

Mine shows up about 4 days a week, anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 hours, only during the middle of the day because that's the best time for LA traffic. Usually the time is on the lower end, except at the beginning to get the subs started. We've had some small problems when he gave instructions and left, and then the instructions were not carried out, and he wasn't there to ensure execution before the workers left. It took him extra days to get that done. And there was some confusion when workers arrived at 7am, and needed something or had questions. Nothing disastrous (yet). I suppose a GC is not a site foreman, but I feel that the start and wrap of each day is critical. Is my GC's site appearances in line with what you experienced?

Comments (3)

  • 10 years ago

    Looking for the cheapest talent doesn't leave you much in the way of talent in a hot market. You got what you were willing to pay for. You got to GC the project yourself with someone else's name on it. If you aren't willing to increase your budget, decrease your involvement with trades selection, and hire someone more experienced and capable AS the actual GC, then suck it up.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Yes, the market is indeed pretty hot. Bad timing. I wanted to be the GC for the project but my husband wisely vetoed it since this is our first time. The current arrangement does feel like a strange hybrid of owner-builder + a fixed fee project manager that is a GC who by contract provides warranty, liability insurance, and technical decision making. He's in charge of full supervision and communications with all subs; but I'm not paying him as an employee by time so he has control over how much time and how he does it (though we did ask for a minimum four days of visit a week in the contract without stipulating how much time spent each visit), and he's not guaranteeing a lump sum though he is supposed to guarantee quality and standards as per our contract. The numbers look like we're splitting the differences in cost between owner-building and full GC.

  • 10 years ago

    Last time I served as a project manager (on a 3,200 sf build) was eight years ago; I chose almost all trades and suppliers and was on site at least 30 hours a week simultaneously managing other business by phone and laptop.

    When I'm on-site, a never-ending series of questions come up regarding scheduling, details in the house-plans, building inspectors, deliveries, trade co-ordination and the unexpected--from oh, say, excavation collapse, mis-cut steel, mud on the street that must be immediately removed to avoid a citation, trade disputes. With no one there you can still finish a build satisfactorily, I suppose. Just takes a lot longer.

    I can always spot homeowner builds. They run on forever and you see things going up and going down and out of sequence.

    Good pay for 4-5 hours a week. Welcome to LA!