George..I've had sudsing issues with Persil liquid. .I used only to line one on a full deep water wash of bed sheets..this was my first time using the stuff. Suds galore..I have found its better for me to use this on large loads of heavy soil....the Persil Perls I have no suds issue with and my water is between0gr/gal to 1gr/gal...something you could try is adding a few shavings of bar soap..Sandy can tell us which brand would be best..as it will cut down on sudsing and only a small amount is needed. Doesnt seem like detergent manufactures understand what low suds mean and they've geared their scents for the younger crowd why not their suds level too. I know many older people judge their detergent by the suds..but the majority of people with a FL are younger. fact is Surfactants are going to cause suds so how do we get by this? What should be safely added to detergent to break the suds? And how much suds are to much in a FL. I'm curioud about this.

I didn't notice any over-sudsing issue with the Persil Proclean but now I guess I'll go fix some popcorn and watch the washer. Maybe the suds and the long-lasting scent are the same reason. Maybe the detergent isn't really rinsing out of my laundry - not that I ever believed ANY detergent fully rinses out.

The European Persil liquid for colors that I got a few years ago had a strong perfume that would not go away and was awfully sudsy. I finally gave it away.

I expected the US Persil to be like the German Persil that I happily paid a premium for. Too sudsy and smells like a sour corpse after a day. I actually feel like Hinkel cheated us! I felt guilty donating it.

everyone has different likes and dislikes as far as scents go...I know Larsi says Persil smells like vomit..Sandy a corpse....me I like it ..it has got to be the water..I have US perls and Euro Perls and to me they smell exactly the same good LOL...only thing I can think is the water chem.

I like the scent of the powdered Persil, actually. I very rarely use softener, so I get it in it's full scent, and I can barely smell the detergent after a cycle. I have mechanically softened water, and never had a sudsing issue with the powder. The liquid I most certainly have had sudsing issues with, several times. I now know that it is very concentrated and requires me to just use 2 TBS on a full, normally soiled load in the Miele. I double that for a top loader, for a similar load. That goes for both the liquid and powder. I think a lot of it is most definitely water chemistry that is giving American Persil mixed reviews.

Have used only the powder/Perls but have no sudsing issue with it and the scent is OK. I want to try the 2-in-1 liquid but WM here stopped stocking it.

I'm with Joel on the amount of suds, but my water is not softened in my home. The city water that we have does the softening. I live near the town and I have access to the city water. Our old well would be a different story. Like Joel, I like the light fragrance of the Persil powder. No fabric softener used.

I wish there was a FS that smelled like Persil Perls

I found a jug of Persil 2-in-1 Power-Liquid yesterday at an out-of-town WM. Ran a load of bedding this morn -- set of twin sheets and bedspread, all together (in my Neptune TL). Dosage instructions are 2 oz for a "normal" load or 2.5 oz. for a "large" load. I used ~2.25 oz. (via a kitchen measuring cup) plus 2 tbsp STPP. The scent is quite strong in the wash but I don't find it objectionable. There was some light sudsing, nowhere near enough to be a problem. The last rinse drain was non-sudsy (didn't use softener). The residual scent upon drying is stronger than Persil powder but is tolerable ... doesn't make me gag thus far but I suppose that could change in a few days.

Next ran two pillows now in my Calypso. Used 1.5 tbsp STPP, 3 tablespoons Biz powder, and bit less than 2 oz. Persil. There was oversudsing ... I've had that happen before with pillows since they're really a smaller load than one realizes. The Biz could be a contributing factor. It rinsed clear with no additional effort. The remaining scent is not objectionable ... but I suppose remains to be seen if it gives me a headache tonight, LOL.

I found a bottle of the 2 in 1 tucked away yesterday. Mine smells foul, sour in the bottle. I bought this when it first showed up on the WM shelves. I'm wondering if the 1st batches were different? This stuff is awful and I can't imagine anyone using it. It didn't clean well and smells awful. I'll have to sniff a newer bottle and see.

UHG! Yes, ProClean suds have stopped my machine too but it was the the sour smell of the laundry that prompted me to dump my remaining half bottle down the drain. Awful stuff.

You know, I'm starting to understand what everyone else is saying about the scent.

After doing my regular white load on Monday, I used a little Mrs. Myers Lemon Verbena to help cut suds.

When I took the towels/underwear/socks out of the dryer and took a deep sniff, I could smell that sour vomit type of smell.

It wasn't strong but I totally noticed it.

I wonder if Persil doesn't play well with FS or it's when things go through the dryer that alters the scent.

No adverse effect sleeping on the Persil-washed bedding & pillows. Took a couple deep whiffs of a pillow and the bedspread again now and the scent is not sour or reminiscent of vomit ... leastwise not to me.

Here's something weird. george describes he gets with Persil, I got with Tide. One reason I stopped using it.

I feel it's the water. Pinky says the same.

I do say the same...what other explamation could there be, surely there's not bad batches of the Persil scattered here and there across the US...but what is different is water chem..something in some peoples water doesn't mix well with Persil and it wouldn't surprise me if other detergents do the same for some people. Face it folks Persil isn't for everyone just as Tide isnt for everyone. I don't have any issues with US Persil so I'll use it when I'm in the mood..you know other than Tide with Bleach powder I just can't be loyal to one brand lol. I say for those of you having probs with Persil..return it or donate it and chuck it up to a bad experience. ....do the happy dance and try out something else..after all it Tis the season to splurge on detergent. .haha

Is US Persil the same as German Persil Megaperls? I have no scent issues with the German product. I don't buy the US version yet because I have enough German product to last me a lifetime! :)

I'm not sure. Some people say yes some say no. I think Mich did a ingredients compairison some time back with the pearls and said the ingredients were the same...at least I think it was Mich. I personally never did any research with it.

The scent of the German Persil is completely different. The German has an herbal almost pine? kind of scent. The bottle of 2 in 1 US liquid I have smells sour in the bottle. A rancid milk kind of sour. Like a nasty garbage disposal sprayed with air freshner kinda bad. I'm really wondering if there wasn't some bad product sold. This is not a bad undertone. It's a bad smell with scent on top.

My US Persil pearls and Euro Perls smell exactly the same...Sandy sounds like you did get a bad batch yuck

Is it bad that I want to leave work now and smell my Persils?

Load of 4 jeans in the Calypso. 1.5 tbsp STPP. Approx 1.5 oz Persil liquid. Sudsing OK, rinsing clear (Calypsos rinse very well contrary to popular belief). Minimal dose of Snuggle White Lavender & Sandalwood. No vomiting involved.

So, I smelled my Persils..I thought the US versions (Powder and 2-1) smelled a little sweeter than the Euros (Color and Universal). Not hugely so. I would say they smell similar..much closer than say the Persil and anything else that I have. None smell bad. My US Persils were purchased within a week of showing up in Wal-Mart

Sspeer9...

Have you smelled it on dry clothes washed in it?

Here's what happened to me with the Persil intense fresh liquid. Smells amazing in the bottle( I think-the strong smell may be too much for others). After washing 3-4 loads of clothing and 2 loads of towels, ALL my clothing loads got the vomit smell after 1-2 days. The towel loads did not and retained the nice fresh smell from the bottle albeit strong, I liked it on the towels. I had to rewash all of the clothing loads. The difference is this. I don't use FS on towels. I do use it on clothing. There is something that this American persil, fs, and possibly my water that is just not working together. I used up the rest of the bottle on towels only. But I'm in Larsi"s camp on this one-I won't buy again.

I've got a load of the 2-1 waiting for the dryer now. I watched for suds and it was just about right. I had a pretty large load and only used it to the normal line, no add ons. I found Cheer powder to be way more sudsy. I'll update in about an hour :)

Well, washed and dried. The overall scent is extremely light..but do detect a little 'expensive cheese' odor on a couple spots after a few dozen hard sniffs. Not enough for me to rewash, but no motivation to use it again. Quite possible it could get worse after multiple uses. I just might take this back home for the Holidays and hide it in my mom's Era hoard..

Seems to be more and more having a bad scent with Persils. I still think its water chem...or...like someone else mentioned Persil and FS not pairing well.. ill be interested in what Roc thinks of the US Persil Pearls Mich sent her...I've done side by side sniff tests of US Persil and Euro Persil and they smell the same to me in the bottle and after washing...I'm happy bout that since I have a lot of the stuff, but is it my favorite. ..no...but I do very much enjoy it.LOL

I decided to rewash in Euro Universal Perls because Science! Used 3Tbsp or 45ml, which is the lightest dose (I used the lower dose for the US) Also, no add ons. Initial impressions is that the scent is lighter in the wash and a bit less sudsy, but perhaps it's not an equivalent dose.

BTW, I'm washing whites using hot water, 1 extra rinse.

I also noticed the older pieces were more likely to smell. I wonder if it reacts to some people's sweat or body oil, kind of like perfume or cologne

US Persil Perls...I'm trying to figure out if the bad scent some get is with a new jug or one they have had for awhile....I haven't used my US Pearls for Hmm maybe 6 weeks at least but after all this talk I decided to run a load of pastels thru using my pearls...this is not a new bottle and I haven't had any problems with the first half of the jug BUT this load did not smell good...it did not smell like vomit or a dead body but it wasn't pleasent either...now I'm wondering if there's a short shelf life for this. Maybe after sitting opened or unopened after a certain amount of time if it goes rancid.THATS IT...the clothes had a almost rancid scent. I did not dry the clothes. ..they are rewashing in Tide with Bleach powder. Ya now I think these pearls turn bad like spoiled cooking oil.....anyone know if any type of oil is used in the formula as a suds supressor...or even if soap is used as a suds supressor...soap can also go rancid.