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10 years ago

Working on selecting plants and trees for our backyard. Our design needs one medium deciduous tree. Our landscaper suggested Acer Rubrum October Glory but I think that might be a smidge too big of a tree. Looking for something with a 25 foot spread, maybe 30 maximum (more concerned about spread than height).

Upon visiting my local nursery, it was suggested to use Acer Truncatum Crimson Sunset. I also took note of Acer Truncatum Pacific Sunset. I saw Acer Rubrum Brandywine but that may end up being actually too small.

Upon reviewing the internet I also found Acer Rubrum HOSR, but I don't think I saw this at the nursery so I'm not sure if it's not a good choice or if there is a downside to this one I don't know about or what. Or maybe it's just flat out not available? I forgot to actually ask at the nursery.

Now, I'm not married to the idea of having a maple, it's just all we ever get suggestions for when we visit the nurseries (more than 1, different companies, etc). I'm open to any suggestions, and when I posted these questions on the Landscape Design forum I didn't get any feasible answers. I just kept getting told 'surely there are better native trees you could plant' but oaks get way to big, others are way too messy, some are just too ugly etc.

Our criteria are 25 foot spread (mayyyybe 30 if it's otherwise a great tree), a decently fast growth rate, not super messy...I know they drop leaves but crazy fruit/flower/seed pod mess is a no-go, and pretty. We live in Roseville, CA, so just outside Sacramento.

Our backyard borders a busy-ish street so we, in essence, want to make the wall taller with a living wall of sorts. The tree will go in the far corner where we don't need quite as much screening, so the leaves in the summer when the yard is most used will do there, which is why 1 deciduous.

I also need more suggestions as to what evergreen/conifer/do-not-drop-their-leaves trees and shrubs will be useful as a screen (the wall is 8 feet tall, so 10-12 feet tall...preferably 12) but will not spread out real far. The border of the yard where they will be planted is 8 feet deep with grass in front of it and I don't want them spreading into the grass very much. So far on my list: Thuja Plicate Forever Goldy, Purple Hopseed (in tree form so I can plant other things in front of it), and a Saucer Magnolia (I'm told those aren't as messy as other Magnolia trees). Any other suggestions would be wonderful.


Sorry for the long post, down to the wire to select plants. :)

Comments (13)

  • 10 years ago

    In another thread someone said if I live at higher elevations in my zip (95747) it's zone 8/9 but lower elevations are 14. I'm not sure how to figure that out. :(

  • 10 years ago

    Check your Sunset Western Garden book for the difference between the climate zones. If you don't have one, they are not expensive and more than worth the cost. (About $20-25 new, down to $1 or so for older editions from used book stores. The older editions are fine, they just don't have some of the currently offered plants listed and some may be under older names)

    The online site does include some of the climate zone information, but the book is a little more detailed in explaining. If you are on the border for several zones, you may experience some of the characteristics for both climate zones, where one may be more influential some years, and the other dominate otherwise (similar to how El Nino can alter weather during certain years).

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks.


    Still looking for tree advice.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Maybe bronze loquat, eriobotrya deflexa? Some of the tree sites on the web say it has innocuous fruit, but I've never seen any. This isn't the edible kind of loquat. It is evergreen, relatively small, clean, somewhat fast growing. I'm not sure if your area is suitable for it but it might be worth investigating.

  • 10 years ago

    How about a Chinese Pistache? Will do well in your area.

  • 10 years ago

    Sorry, I left your tree question for others to address because you and I have different landscape design style methods and vary in our ideas about plant aesthetics. :)

  • 10 years ago

    Gyr I'm open to any and all suggestions.

    cakbu, I was really considering Chinese Pistache til I found out it has one of the most allergenic pollens of all trees.

  • 10 years ago

    Birch
    Honeylocust
    Japanese snowbell tree ( Styrax japonica )
    Purple-leaf Plum


  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Never one to hold back an opinion.........purple leaf plums are crap trees - put those out of your mind :-) And birches have issues in hot climate locations like the Sacramento area, are not at all drought tolerant and are falling prey to bronze birch borers all across the country.

    In your location, you really need to be considering very drought tolerant plants and few, if any, that you have considered/listed/mentioned are very drought tolerant at all. And some will require regular, routine irrigation if they hope to thrive at all.

    Here's a couple of listings for you to consider:

    Drought Tolerant Trees for Northern California

    Sacramento Tree Guide - you can sort by size, water needs and deciduous or evergreen

    [Top Ten California Native Plants[(https://www.houzz.com/magazine/10-top-california-native-plants-trees-and-grasses-stsetivw-vs~29024144)

    Water-wise Shrubs List

    Water-wise Tree List

    Note that the last two contain some plants I would not consider to be very drought tolerant even in my PNW very mild summer droughts - I wouldn't include any Japanese maples or the smokebush, for example. And just as an FYI, saucer magnolias are neither evergreen, very drought tolerant and are quite messy, especially when their flowers go over.

  • 10 years ago

    I did find "Duraheat River Birch" listed on a local nursery website. Looked it up. Looks nice, very tempting. Some sites say it gets 20' wide, some say 25'-35' wide. Now I know that's an eventual width, but that is a really off range. Anyone have one of these and can offer insight? Hubby isn't too fond of the peeling bark look. Does that peel off and make a mess? That might make it a no-go.

  • 10 years ago

    Never mind. I liked it but then found out it can be quite a mess and should be kept away from property lines, hardscape, and fences...

  • 10 years ago

    And the common name of river birch should indicate something.........again, this is NOT a smart tree choice for a hot, dry climate!!

  • 10 years ago

    You have not mentioned how much shade you hope to get. Chilopsis is a very pretty low water tree but it does not have a dense canopy.

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