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HELP...Purchased Quartzite Countertops

10 years ago

I purchased counter tops from Allied Stone in Dallas. We came to the store in Dec. 2015 for our initial
meeting with Lisa "salesperson", telling her that we need to replace our countertops. We told
her one very specific need is that the durability of the counter top must be
there. We called this "kid proof/mama proof" as I have kids and a
65-year-old mom who can be very rough in kitchens. After looking at a few
counter tops, she suggested quartzite, and we found a beautiful piece called
Superlative. We stated many times to her, "Are you sure this will be mama
proof?" as we did not want to install new counters and have issues with
them. I have emails I sent to her when I paid for the counters restating,
"Are you sure these counters will be mama-proof?" The counters were
installed, and they looked very nice. Within 2 weeks, we found a ring and
several spots embedded in the counter, to later find out the ring is called
"etching". Lisa never told us this... I didn't even know what etching was until this happened. I expected
the salesperson, who should have been knowledgeable about the product and what
our needs were, to guide us. I called
Lisa about the damage to the counter with no response. I
called the store's main number and left multiple messages with her manager, and
after my third try, I caught him at the office. The gentleman stated that she
should not have sold me that counter as it will etch. He was going to call me
back to discuss what he could do and I never got a call back. At this point, I
feel like I've really tried to reach out to Allied Stone without success. I
decided to take this to my credit card company, and let them help me. I sent
them all the emails and documentation of what happened. I'm not sure if allied
responded or not. My credit card company refunded my money. As a customer, I
asked for a product that would perform better. The product that I received
etches if Coca Cola sits on it for less than three minutes. This is not the
type of product you would want to sell anyone for a kitchen. The countertops have not lived up to our expectations.
The salesperson sold us a product that she claimed to be very durable. I made
numerous attempts to contact Lisa and her manager by phone and email with no
resolution. Instead of someone from Allied Stone picking up the phone to call
me and find out about the problem, I received a certified letter indicating you
intend to place a lien on my property. I am happy to try to work out some sort
of replacement /resolution. Have yet to hear back.

so last week I received a letter telling me to pay or they will put a lien on my house...any one know the rules to this? I hear since this is custom countertops the rules are different. Also, since i paid with my credit card and later disputed it, not sure when the days start. i'm happy to return their product if they want it back, but nobody wants to talk to me. I was going to file suit against them, but not sure if I need to take it to that level yet. Any ideas or suggestions would help!

Comments (33)

  • PRO
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    They don't want their product back, they want their money, and I would assume that is HALF the total cost, as I know of no fabricator who will install without a 50% deposit prior to cut and polish of the goods..

    You can go in person, and take an attorney with you to the store in Dallas......or have an attorney contact them after showing him/her all the printed emails, that hopefully show responses from the sales person saying you would have NO POSSIBLE issues, with this surface. I would add that a minor etch is not considered a disaster, and I would suggest and immediate seal of the tops as well.

    Fact is, this surface CAN etch. Instead of asking and trusting someone whose job it is to sell materials, a little due diligence may have been in order. Did she tell you to seal it? Did you seal it?

    Or simply ignore the lien, and live with it, and the tops until you need to sell the house : (

    http://classicgranitemarble.com/the-411-on-white-quartzite-countertops/

  • 10 years ago
    I did pay for it in the Advance, but the credit card company refunded my money but now I'm dealing with them trying to out a lien on my house. I've been told I can take him to small claims court by few attorneys or file suit against them using an attorney.

    We did some due diligence on this counter as quartzite is said to be very strong.

    As for the sealing. We paid extra for that from Allied stone and we got bulletproof Dupont put on. If you read the fine print of the sealer they don't protect against etching.

    I think as a customer I've done everything I need to and try to work it out with this company. I've documentation telling them that the product we wanted needed to be very durable in the kitchen. let's face facts spilling Coca-Cola on the counter and it etching it is not durable countertop.

    Update as of this morning, I got a response email from the sales person telling me she'll call me today! stay tuned....
  • 10 years ago

    From what you've said here, I think you did a reasonable amount of due diligence. Yes, you relied on the salesperson, because she was supposed to be the expert here, not you. Most consumers rely heavily on the place they are purchasing from to be honest and upfront, no one should make you feel bad about that. I don't know what your options are here - you might try contacting your state's consumer affairs bureau, they may be able to give you guidance. You could talk to an attorney, but I doubt you want to start accumulating attorney fees at this point.

    Also insist on everything in writing so it can be documented.

    I wouldn't worry about the lien at this point - it will not be a problem until you sell your home, and this should be taken care of long before that. The fact that they resorted to threatening a lien so quickly shows how unscrupulous this company is, unfortunately. I don't know the process for placing a lien but since it is a legal process, I assume you can contest it either before it is in place or after - so definitely look into that, maybe start by calling your town hall and asking questions, or if the letter states what agency the lien is filed with, contact them. You want to contest it as soon as possible.

    You should also report them to the Better Business Bureau - that won't help resolve your problem but a negative review from BBB will affect the company's reputation and maybe save someone else from what you've gone through.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    I have been looking for new countertops. I did my homework online and it's shocking how little the salespeople know about their own product, even the suppliers. I would contact an attorney, but personally I don't think you will be able to do anything unless you have something in writing.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    It is common for various natural stone materials to etch and stain, this includes some quartzite. I don't think vague conversations about "mama proof" bode very well for you in terms of legal proceedings. But it would have been good sales practice to let you know about the various properties of natural material. I hope you are able to resolve this in a satisfactory way.

  • 10 years ago
    So the sales never called the other day. Got a call from the manager today after he received the letter from BBB. Said he was trying to get a hold of been but nobody would answer the phone. Hm only have one # on my acct.

    Scheduled to come see the counters next Tuesday. Stay tuned....
  • 10 years ago

    I think the lien is a big deal-it affects your credit. If they file it, you should add a statement on your three credit reports that this is a dispute. At that point, I'd call an attorney. I would call an attorney if it doesn't go well on Tuesday.

    I have some empathy for you because MANY granite yards mis-label soft quartzite and marble as granite. Since we are in the market for granite right now, I've been actively looking. I am amazed on how many times I see the WRONG product with the granite label. I've looked enough where I've seen the same name called Granite on one side of the yard and Marble on the other side on a different slab.


  • 10 years ago
    Club- doesn't go on tour credit, only the house. If i ever try to sell, this becomes a issue.
  • 10 years ago

    Friends, Superlative is a very soft marble: it is Not a quartzite.


    In Brazil we say that Superlative cracks only by looking for example; I will post a slab picture for you to confirm we are talking about same stone.


    Again, same problem: people labeling stones uncorrectly

  • 10 years ago
    Here is a pic or the quartzite
  • 10 years ago

    Paul Patel, yes this is a beautiful marble; it is not a quartzite, you can see by the reflection of light

  • 10 years ago
    How do I prove that?
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Is it reasonable to assume that if your contract specifies Quartzite and you received marble, you have a legitimate issue?

  • 10 years ago

    Hire a geologist to testify at your lawsuit and spend 50K on 5K worth of stone. Or, live with what you have and get used to patina. And pay the fabricator. You have counters. He fabricated the stone. You received the custom counters. Custom work isn't returnable. It can't be glued back together into slab material and be sold to someone else.

    And although your cc company refunded you up front, that doesn't mean that they won't charge it back if the fabricators bother to give them all of the documentation on the job.

    Just because you are freaked out by living with marble doesn't make marble unsuitable for counters. It's been used for centuries. Frankly, your expectations for a lifeproof counter are unrealistic. Pretty much all stone will need sealing to not stain, and all carbonates will etch. Manmade stone will chip, and have tiny divots where crystals pop out. There is no perfect anything.

  • 10 years ago
    But if the company states its quartzite, I.. Must prove its not.. How is the question...
  • 10 years ago
    Sophie

    I understand that nothing will be life proof, but what i was told was this was a durable product. Coke leaving permanent stains after sitting for 3 minutes is not durable.

    If i wanted marble i would of bought it. Granite or Quartz would of been better alternatives to recommend.

    This was just a blunt lie. I will have my day.

    As of today, my BBB report has forced them to come look at it. Ive already talked to my attorney and he feels i have a legitimate case.

    As for options..
    In Store credit to replace product,
    Or come get the counter and we part ways.
  • 10 years ago
    How do you get an in-store credit when you haven't paid them?
  • 10 years ago
    Meaning i will pay the amount owed for the new product.
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Slab sellers are not geologists. That would be like expecting the clerk at Lowes to be a botanist and tell you that the pretty rose you want to buy won't work in your shady yard. They were in the Paint department last week. They don't know plants. If the result is that important, you need to consult a REAL expert. A sales person can give you an opinion, but it isn't binding as to your expectations or how you will use it. And they are not presumed to have the knowledge of an expert in the field.

    The stone industry makes up names and attributes all the time. Every designer that deals with kitchen redos knows this and could have advised you. You didn't actually get any expert help in this, did you? You thought you would go straight to each trade and leave out the coordination and knowledge needed to ensure a good job was done.

    Due digence that a KD might have suggested for a stone purchase is physically conducting tests on samples of the stone itself to determine if it had the physical properties that you desire. You apply turmeric and Coke to that sample. Not a the slab seller. You. You failed to do your due diligence as designer of record or to engage any Professional help that would guide you.

    You owe them for the counters that you have in your kitchen and are using. You have received goods and services and refused to pay for them. The lien will be upheld.

  • 10 years ago

    Have you consulted with an attorney to see if you have a DTPA claim? Texas has one of the more protective Deceptive Trade Practices Act statutes that can include treble damages. Texas lien laws also tend to be more complicated than a lot of others states, so it is easy for vendors to screw them up. A brief consultation with an attorney qualified in these areas is not that much.

  • 10 years ago

    That is a beautiful piece but it looks like marble to me.

  • 10 years ago
    Amala
    Yes sealed with dupont bullet proof. When i filed with BBB, had no choice as after calling 4 times and emailing multiple, they would not respond.
  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Quartzite is a natural material and as such there will be variances in purity depending upon where it was quarried and the grading standard. It is most likely the level(s) of impurities that is contributing to the issue. As with any material there are usually tolerances that define what it can be called based upon it's composition. Price is often a reasonable indicator, especially for natural materials as the higher purities are much rarer and therefore are typically more expensive, diamonds are a great example.

    Regardless, sealing should have minimized this. Not familiar with the Dupont Bullet Proof product, but you have to be careful not to be mislead by those catchy product names. I guess "Mama Proof" and "Bullet Proof" seemed like a good match!!!

    Without some type of chemical analysis, which would be costly, I suspect it would be very difficult to prove that the supplied material was not within it's tolerance. In these types of situations I have usually found that a more conciliatory approach is the best first approach. Unfortunately, things seem to have gotten bit out of hand and it may take a bit of patience for things to cool down. Maybe you need to demonstrate to the fabricator a willingness to resolve this without resorting to legal threats. I know it is tough to do but it may at the end result in a faster and less costly resolution for all involved.

    Graham


  • 10 years ago

    Wholesale Slab yards sell to fabricators, not consumers. The person in the chain of custody who should be the expert is the fabricator. Not the minimum wage store minder who can't even sell to the end user.

    Selecting a fabricator who is skilled and knowledgable is more important than agonizing over the stone color. MIAmembership and standards should be shopped for before stone is ever selected. If you shop materials first, you can end up picking something on looks alone. That is why a KD or knowledgable fabricator is key. ON THE FRONT END.


  • 10 years ago
    Kitchen Adoobe - thx, i sent a BBB because a lack of response. I even sent the owner a email telling him i am willing to work this out



    Green designs - still dont agree what you are saying is true. Go look at allied stone in dallas. They have 4 huge locations with very nice museum type show rooms. They did the sale and fabricator.
  • 10 years ago

    Bullet Proof excludes etching which is what the OP said he has.

  • 10 years ago

    When I was a kid I put one of my baby teeth in a glass of coke, and the coke dissolved it. That's why I never drink Coke.

  • 10 years ago

    Regardless on the ones on here saying this is somehow your fault and you have to live with it, the simple fact that the company cannot communicate when the customer has concerns says alot about the company's values. How can you say the OP wasn't being fair to go to the BBB when the company threatened to put a lein on his property without even talking to him?!! Seriously? That is terrible business practice!

  • 10 years ago
    Green Designs, unless the stone place has a sign on the door that says "To the Trade", then they should expect to deal with the end user on a regular basis. It's retail. I have 25 years experience in retail management, including 10 years in home furnishings. Many times customers would ask me very specific questions about a piece. If I didn't know the answer or was unsure about it, I always said, "I'm not sure, but I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU". And then I did it. This is what should be expected from anyone who serves customers in a retail environment. It's not surprising that the OP has been ignored by the salesperson and manager. They know they screwed up.
  • 10 years ago
    I would not want a lien on my house whether it is on my credit or not. It's public information isn't it? Liens affect so many things. Good luck.

    This may sound obvious but have you tried buffing the ring out? We have granite in a rental and often get minor rings. A buffer always removes them.
  • 10 years ago
    Paul, before they can put a lien on your house they will have to take you to court. If they take you to court you will be notified on when you will be required to appear. At that time you will be able to present evidence that what you wanted and what you were sold were 2 different things. But like a previous poster wrote, you have counter tops & the company fabricated & installed them.
  • 10 years ago
    Update

    After going back and forth multiple times, we settled on a 50% discount. According to my attorney, it was 50/50 on if we would win and the cost of fighting would out way cost of the counter. This was the same for them.

    I'm still pissed about the whole thing as the sales lady had the nerve to come into my house and bluntly lie about it. Lucky I sent her a email still asking her if the counter was going to be durable.

    Thanks for all the advice. Be careful where you buy from.