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9 years ago

Dear all,


Wish you a very Happy New Year!


I live in Morrisville, PA (zone 7). I have almost about 30 feet of space available in South-West location on our yard where I want to plant a tree that can be big and tall as 30-40 feet. Tree requirements: growth is medium-fast, deer resistant and less pest problems. Please advise. Thank you.

Comments (16)

  • 9 years ago

    Drat on the 35 foot limit. I was gonna recommend Metasequoia.

    What size does Nyssa sylvatica normally reach in your zone?

    Geets thanked Toronado3800 Zone 6 St Louis
  • 9 years ago

    where is the spot in regard to the house ...


    whats the height limit.... wires??? ...


    no tree really stops growing at some magical height ... they grow at an annual rate ... and once they get to that number.. they just keep growing ... finding the annual rate... lets you determine.. over the decades.. what its potential might be ... obviously .... when you say medium fast.. you are already filling the height faster ....


    what are the constraints after height ... any cares about width ...


    ken

    Geets thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 9 years ago
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    American Smoke Tree (Cotinus obovatus ) Eastern Hop Hornbeam (Ostrya virginiana) Redbud? Pawpaw (Asimina triloba) Dogwood (cornus florida)?

    There are also some dwarf versions of Bald Cypress, like Taxodium distichum 'Cascade Falls' .

    Geets thanked edlincoln
  • 9 years ago

    No wires. It's in South-West of the house and has almost 30-40 feet open space. I don't want more than 30 feet in height.


    I understand that the growth cannot be controlled but if you or someone can help me with how much a tree would grow annually or if I can get this information on another site, it would make it easier for me to decide.

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    The convention is that the heights listed for trees on most sites are 10 year heights. If you google the species (Latin) name of the trees you are looking at you can probably find a growth rate. You can keep a tree small by pruning but that is VERY labor intensive and some species take better to this treatment then others.

    Of course, any tree that is short is either very slow growing or short lived.

    Keep in mind, there is NOT a perfect correlation between height and how much yard space the tree takes up. A shrub will often use up much more yard space then a mature red oak because the branches of the oak will be high enough you can use the space beneath the branches, so it's "footprint" will be it's trunk diameter, not it's spread. Height is mostly a concern if you have overhead power lines or an upper story window you don't want to block.

    Geets thanked edlincoln
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    To get a 30 ft. height quickly - without then ending up with, say, 60 ft. later - you will need something like Yellow Groove Bamboo or a comparatively small growing species of willow.

    These two have definite limitations that need to be considered.

    Probably the way to filter it is to start with fast growth and then introduce the small size, any other requirements, see what candidates you end up with.

    If you have any labeled, public tree plantings within acceptable distance going and viewing what is there in person can be most instructive.

    Geets thanked Embothrium
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    I contend trees may as well have maximum heights.

    My shingle oak is never going to get to 250 feet tall. There is not one in the country that tall. So while technically it grows from the buds every year, through attrition, it just will not hit 250 feet.

    The next step of narrowing this down is to find your favorite state big tree list. If we are super curious what the realistic maximum for Nyssa sylvatica (or redbud or whatever) is in PA then we can look up what the tallest and probably widest one in your state is. It is in THEORY possible you could plant a tree which gets that big or even slightly larger. However, it is also equally possible for me to have a child who will reach 7'10" tall. Not a problem I should plan for.

    So, to figure out the projected size a tree will get in your area ask here or see if a .edu site for a University in your state or nearby botanical garden which lists a projected size for your area.

    This is important. Someone in the hills of Oregon could plant a Giant sequoia or Douglas fir and expect to get a 200 foot tree. Here I can't expect that.

    Someone in Alabama or maybe Virginia can use Southern magnolia for a large spreading shade tree. Here one probably fits your 30 foot height limit.

    Geets thanked Toronado3800 Zone 6 St Louis
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    He didn't actually ask for fast growing. He did ask for insect and deer resistant.

    Geets thanked edlincoln
  • 9 years ago

    You can also visit a local arboretum to see interesting trees. It's always helpful to see mature trees in person. There's Morris Arboretum of the University of Pennsylvania near Philadelphia.

    Geets thanked hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
  • 9 years ago

    Tree requirements: growth is medium-fast

    Geets thanked Embothrium
  • 9 years ago

    Hello - Yes, I would like tree growth to be medium-fast, if possible. The reason is that if we don't live in the same house for many years at least we get to enjoy the beauty. The reason I am looking for tall tree is that this location can use some shade and longer life so that whoever occupies this house after us can enjoy the beauty as well.

    Last year, we planted Sterling Silver Linden and it died due to deer rub. We were so hurt that it took a while for us to get back to normal. I understand that gardening is not easy but I wish that I don't see a tree dying.

    Thank you so much for so many great ideas! I will need some time to go through them online, go to Arboretum as hoovb recommended (great idea!) and research.

    I assume that the best time to plant a tree would be spring and not in winter. Any suggestions on which month would be great?

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    As I said, the problem with fast growing trees is any tree that is fast growing either gets huge or dies young. And you said you want a tall tree, but the size specifications you gave only allow for a medium sized tree. What is the exact reason for the height limitation?...knowing that would help.

    There are lots of tricks to protect bark from deer...such as wraping the tree in chicken wire fencing or trunk protector wrap.

    All the trees I listed were rated as "deer resistant" by someone online...but that really refers to how tasty deer think they are, not rubbing. And if the deer are hungry enough they will eat all sorts of unlikely things. Have you considered getting a dog?

    It's climate dependent, but early Spring is the best time to plant most trees. Before the trees leaf out, but after the ground thaws (if it freezes at all where you are) and "mud season" is over. Probably April around here. In Zone 7 March might work if the ground isn't too muddy. Ask this question in the Pennsylvania forum.

    The trick with planting trees in winter or really early Spring is you want to avoid any trees that were kept inside or were from a warmer climate...they might not be dormant.

    Geets thanked edlincoln
  • 9 years ago

    I contend trees may as well have maximum heights.


    ==>>>> i agree ... but in whose lifetime ... yours.. the kids.. your grandkids ...


    when careful ... i try to state something like.. IN YOUR LIFETIME.... they will never stop growing ...


    i would caution OP .... that planting a med fast grower.. for your instant gratification ..... is just leaving a problem for future owners .. and .. that half the tree problem posts we get ...


    if you only plan on being there for 3 to 5 years.. NOTHING will get to 30 feet ... soooo.. planting a faster than usual tree.. is just creating problems for future owners ...


    see tree planting guide below ... i dont know your zone ... so i cant give precise planting dates.. but I THINK ... late winter.. thru early spring ... preferably dormant ... i dont think i read.. what size you are starting with ...


    ken

    https://sites.google.com/site/tnarboretum/Home/planting-a-tree-or-shrub

    Geets thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 9 years ago

    Silver linden produces a tall specimen over 60 ft. high so that would not have been suitable anyway. And you will definitely have to adequately protect any replacement planting from the deer or that will turn out to have been a waste of time and money also.

    Geets thanked Embothrium
  • 9 years ago

    ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5 - I am conscience, asking questions and researching before I plant anything so that I don't create problems for future owners and they get to enjoy the beauty as well. Thank you for your comments.