Anyone?????

Faron79 could help you for sure but I haven't seen him around lately.

I avoid anything to do with paint color formulas like the plague so I can't help, sorry.

Hi Fun-C!

:-)

Faron

What are you trying to do? Either store can match the others colors thru use of their color matching equipment. Behr chooses a system based on 1/384th because the smaller amount facilitates their mixing of 8 ounce sample jars of paint. Their former limit of 1/96th was just not accurate enough to make these small samples accurately. The Behr dispensers can actually go down to 1/768th of an ounce. That is half a drop!

Unfortunately, the SW and Behr colorants are not completely the same either. This would prevent the direct use of there formulas, regardless of the amounts.

Faron79 - hey! Good to see you!

One or two 384's is absolutely meaningless in terms of a gallon, but can make a significant difference in an 8 ounce sample.

Under the old Behr system, certain off whites could not be made in only a quart. Now all the whites can be made in quarts. However, even now, some of the off whites cannot be made in the 8 ounce samples.

Basically.....I explained it's pointless to compare formulas & ratios.

So nice of you to post back and let us all know the scoop, @Faron. I avoid getting directly involved with formulas but I love learning about it and reading posts from colorists who tint paint for a living.

Active on the HDConvo's side here Fun-C! Shoulder surgery comin'-up. Uffda...

Faron

Ohhhh. I don't get over to the Discussions Forum very often. Good luck with the surgery, Faron. Really hope all goes well, my friend.

Thanks Fun-C! There's a few "shoulder-related" posts there now, & I've been babbling on a few of them....;-) Damn rotator-cuff tears......

Farom

If you guys are still active on here, i would love some help on a conversion issue. I work in the Hardware Dept of our local WalMart. i know the basics, but am still learning the finer points of paint to help my customers. We just got a new paint machine a few weeks ago. It uses formulas that are based on the 48ths and 96ths system (from what i read in the manual). A formula would read like: L 0Y 4 0 (this is a made up formula by me to illustrate what i see on the screen.) A customer brought in a can mixed using our old system a few days ago. His label had this: F 1, L 9 1/2, T 12 1/2 . We are having issues with the driver for our color match equipment, thus it's not available for usage right now. Any ideas on how to convert from his formula to one we could punch in? Thanks ahead of time...Jim

Depends on whether your colorants changed! Also, don't you have the capability to manually create a formula to dispense within your tinting program??

F is usually Red-Oxide, L usually is a "Raw Umber/Brown", & T is often a Buttery Yellow. The formula you list could either be....1Y of F...OR...1 SHOT of F. Huge difference!! Depends how dark/brick-red his color is, &/or which column that "1" is in!

Our main tinter is a COROB D600 16-cannister power-pump unit. 11 years ago, it was $17,000!!! Quite a unit! Now, it would probably be $25,000?!??! For years, we used it for C2 paint, a high-end line that used 16 colorants...$50-$60/gal.

Faron

Recently had a sample made at Home Depot with Behr paint for an 8 oz can. The original color was suppose to be a Sherwin Williams color, which I just found out he did completely wrong. However, I love the color he made, which is now not a Sherwin Williams color. How do I convert the colorant numbers which are done as 384th OZ to Sherwin Williams 32 64 128.
The measurements I need to convert are

OZ CL DL FL

384th 208 200 120

I am desperate, any help would be appreciated. Thanks

To make it more clear from above: OZ=384 CL=208 DL=200 FL=120

However, I love the color he made, which is now not a Sherwin Williams color. How do I convert the colorant numbers which are done as 384th OZ to Sherwin Williams 32 64 128.

I don't think you have to.

You have the color.

Paint a sample board.

Nice, neat sample. Two full coats. Let the first coat dry before you apply the second.

You should be able to take that sample anywhere and have the colorist match it - they may scan/measure it, they may do it by eye, may be a combo of both.

Again, while I know the formulas, I don't do anything with them.

The chemistry and the math make my head spin.

But I suspect the math isn't the only obstacle here.

Even if you figure out the math, you're trying to convert Behr colorants into Sherwin-Williams colorants.

And the colorants are not the same.

In other words, even if you do figure out the math, the math doesn't apply to Sherwin-Williams colorants the same as it does to the Behr product - bases and colorants.

Apples and oranges.

Lori is correct. There is no industry wide standard for colorants between the manufacturers. SW has several colorants which don't even come close to Behr's colorants. LIkewise for Behr's colorants.

Do as Lori says and bring SW a sample board with two good coats of paint. Too thin of a coat, and the beam of light which is projected onto the surface by the spectrometer will go through the paint film and read the color of the substrate.

Don't forget to bring your check book. SW has probably the most overpriced paint on the market, perhaps with the exception of that stuff coming out of England and Europe.