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Big 19th Century Painting, Ugly Fireplace, Too Much Furniture, Little 1990s House

13 years ago
last modified: 13 years ago
After making a patchwork of inappropriate colors on my walls, I realized that I have to choose paint from the palette in the large painting or its frame. I'm keeping the painting; if it stays where it is, it needs to be centered. It could also fit in the dining area. I need help with the colors. I'm thinking--at the moment--of a subtle faux finish incorporating a color like SW Empire Gold or even a lighter shade of Smokey Topaz. The daubs on the walls are mostly in peach shades and barley type colors. I am bored with neutral walls lacking depth and warmth and fondly remember a faux finish my husband, who was a commercial artist, did in the early 1980s in a different house.

The current color of the walls is a flat greyish tan, close to khaki. The walls look a lot better in the photos on my computer screen than they do in reality.

You're going to think I should hire a designer. That is easier said than done. I live on a small farm in the deep south in the middle of nowhere, and the budget isn't going to stretch very far. Will a designer drive two or three hours each way to consult on a one time basis for a fee that isn't prohibitively expensive?

I know there is too much furniture. The couches are antiqued looking deep red leather. They have worn like iron through the decades but now need to be recovered. I may change the color leather. I hope to get a suggestion here on what type of leather to use to get similar durability. The dogs don't chew the couches but toenails preclude using very thin or low quality leather. I've been told that I need 3-3.5 oz by some and by others that it doesn't have to be that heavy. I don't know whom to believe.

Also it's finally time to bite the bullet and redo that ghastly fireplace. I'm thinking of Earth Song tiles for the surround but hope to get suggestions here and other thoughts on type and color. I suppose the surround colors depend on the walls. I already have granite in the kitchen area. The painting cannot be centered over the current mantel because of the ceiling angle. Should I splurge and have the fireplace area completely redone for the painting?

I almost forgot the television, hiding the television. If I can find the right piece, I will ruthlessly drill a hole in it for wires and move the current TV table and bookcase next to it. I have budgeted for buying a reasonably good antique piece. So far all the pieces that fit budget are too clunky. Would a pie chest look wrong?

Ceiling fan and light: I am looking for a more attractive fixture. How do I layer light when I already have too much stuff? The ceiling has track lights and the rest of the room has French doors and a window.

Thank-you. I have no idea if I went about asking this the right way. I was very disappointed when I read a post about decorating around a painting that turned out to be bogus.

Comments (63)

  • 13 years ago
    For the new leather, I would start a new discussion with a new subject header such as "Need advice on grades of leather for sofa reupholstery". I do like those sofas a lot. Maybe in addition to your new upholstery, you could get an extra leather throw for each one that fits like the Surefit pet covers.
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    I like the artwork you have! I agree with you not replacing the sofas, amd instead just reupholstering them.

    What if instead of a bookcase for the TV, place the TV above the fireplace and still keep the artwork there? By using TVCoverUps, framed artwork or panel provides the focal point of the room until it swings upward to reveal the hidden TV. It comes in automatic & manual lifts and allows for TV tilting hardware(which would allow you to lower the TV to the perfect viewing angle!). The unit also can be built to accommodate AV equipment, speakers, wires, Blu-Ray, and other consoles(hiding the equipment but also eliminating the need for the extra furniture). By moving the TV over the fireplace, you could now lower the larger landscape painting to an eye level view if you choose a gallery-style hanging. Or if you choose a salon -style option, the repositioning of the TV over the fireplace would give you more freedom and space with the hanging. Either option would work great!
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  • 13 years ago
    Woops! Maybe this will help you...art does not have to "match" anything...move some of the furniture and if possible, move TV to another room.
  • 13 years ago
    Thanks for the TV and other suggestions. I'll post again in a couple days.
  • 13 years ago
    #1: Red & green are complimentary colors (google complimentary colors to learn more) and your couches are an earthy red, so use a FLAT earthy green-gray paint on the walls to tie your two main colors together (remove chair rails or paint same color of room). Also paint the base of your island the same wall color. Use a darker gray-green wall paint...it will make your art become the focus of the room. Remember: FLAT paint - no shine!
    #2: You must remove some furniture - use elsewhere or store in garage. There is just too much clutter!
    #3: Now for your art...Balance big pieces with small pieces by grouping the small pieces together so they balance out the large pieces...in design we call this asymmetrical balance (google asymmetrical balance to learn more). I literally did some cutting and pasting of your photos to give you an idea of what you can do.
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    Very good thoughts. I will give careful consideration. Bye-bye chair rail for starters and maybe a few of the other ideas. Thanks.

    Also want to thank everyone again. I'm making a comparative list and trying more ideas in MS Paint at which I am dreadful. I guess I have to bite the bullet and learn at least a little Photoshop but not green walls I'm thinking. Hard to believe I'm sure but I do know what complementary colors are. Using them well...not so much. But no green walls.
  • 13 years ago
    Put the emphasis on the gray part of "gray-green"...gray can come with black, brown, violet or green undertones - you want green undertones to your gray in order to tie in the red couches. A good color is Sherwin William's "cobble stone"...actually the color I used on your mock-up is a gray-green &/or green-gray...think you saw the word green and did not know what I was talking about. I can see that it could be confusing.
  • 13 years ago
    I love using one of the paintings to hide the TV, so thanks TVcoverups. I am over a thousand miles away from you but do you think I can use one of my paintings without ruining it to do the job?
  • 13 years ago
    I have two skilled professional decorative painters coming over on Monday to assess the walls. I want subtle.
  • 13 years ago
    You have some nice art and furniture. The things that jump out at me are:

    - wall color. It is way too peachy! I would deepen it. Benjamin Moore has fabulous colors. Try something from the Pottery Barn collection.

    - art work is hung haphazardly. Group the paintings if possible.

    - sisal rug is also too light for the space. Find a rug with deeper tones once you decide on a paint color, maybe an oriental.

    - I love the red leather. If you don't need to recover them, don't.

    - the chandelier needs to go. Get a black wrought iron one and hang it lower. Love your farmhouse table!

    - ceiling fan needs to go. Once you figure out the colors in the room get a new one that is more stylish or don't get one at all. Depending on the look you want in the room you could get a nice one from restoration hardware or reproduction lighting.
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    Laurae1967, thanks for your thoughts. I'm taking most of the suggestions. The ceiling fan is going to be replaced. I'm having a terrible time finding an attractive replacement. Do you know of any sources?

    My oriental rug is a trifle larger than the sisal currently on the floor. The oriental has a lot of deep blues and reds. I love the idea of different summer and winter floor and furniture coverings. I can't do the furniture part because fabric slipcovers would be terminally dirty in a week and have to be laundered constantly. I can do the rug shift and may try it. I retired the dark oriental to a closet a couple of years ago in an effort to lighten up the room.

    I'm going to take TVCoverups' suggestion and hide the TV behind a painting...but not a painting over the mantel because I don't like looking up to watch TV. I'm going to put the TV behind a painting to the left of the mantel.

    KStewartcnh, paintings on the island counter are out of the question given the number of muddy dogs that trot past on a daily basis and wag their plumes of tails. For me, dogs and people trump painting placement and accent pillows every time.
  • 13 years ago
    Woops! Forgot about all the dogs and tails...maybe you can group your smaller art pieces in the bath and bedrooms. All of your art (& extra furniture) does not have to be in the living areas! I love your red couches, too and would keep them & concentrate on new paint and re-grouping you art - and I never suggested throw pillows.
  • 13 years ago
    I was kidding about the throw pillows. Earlier Wendi Brotherton jokingly suggested fewer dogs on the couches and more throw pillows. Throw pillows, no matter how attractive the accent pattern and colors, would mean not enough room on the sofas. To add the equivalent, I'm going to have simple crate covers made using fabric that can be washed, Sunbrella or something similar. Several of the dogs like crates for hanging out in. That's why there is one under the dining room table.

    BTW, thanks for the mock-ups. I need to print photos and do the same thing.

    I know I need to limit the furniture and rearrange the art in the main room.

    I'm considering a bow window with a bench seat where the two small double-hung windows are now and rotating the table 90 degrees.

    Everyone who has responded has had something helpful to contribute. I'm grateful.
  • PRO
    13 years ago
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  • 13 years ago
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    kstewartlycnh, why flat paint?

    I embarked on this project because the flat, close to gray walls bug me. You specified flat wall paint. I really want to know why you did and hope you're still reading this.

    Also the color you used in the mock-up shows up on my screen as a charcoal so dark that the only descriptive word for it is black.
  • 13 years ago
    Put the tv over the fireplace, paper your walls in grasscloth wallpaper so you can adjust and move your paintings to your hearts content and nail holes will not show on your walls.....love the red sofas and the dogs...good luck
  • 13 years ago
    Doesn't grasscloth get dusty? This house gets dusty, for sure. That's why I haven't considered grasscloth or a linen covering. Is dust a consideration for those wallpapers?
  • 13 years ago
    I always recommend matte finish for walls. It is washable and it doesn't reflect light so the colors are truer. Flat for the ceiling and satin for trim.

    I'd like to see your walls in green.
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    I love the red couches and would not change them. I'd hang that gorgeous large painting squarely over the one couch and group the rest. You might want to cut out brown paper to the size of the paintings to try out arrangements.
  • 13 years ago
    We have our Tv mounted over our fireplace. I love it there, although I didn't want it there orriginally. I would also put the large painting over the couch, and I love those couches. The size of the couch is weighty enough to carry the large painting over it.
  • 13 years ago
    I tried out bright blue leather for the sofas and can't stand it. My initial thought was that bright blue leather might help tie in bright blue skies in paintings. Better to move paintings than have to live with two turquoise leather sofas in the living room, so I'll use the leather in a bedroom zippered dog beds or a padded headboard. I'm posting just to check if the leather looks as bad as I think it does.
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    I love the color. Just not on the sofa. :)
  • 13 years ago
    Great color. It'll make excellent dog beds, I agree. Or return it if the dogs haven't been enjoying it already.
  • 13 years ago
    The dogs prefer separate cushions so they didn't enjoy the test drive. A few toenail marks showed up right away. I did the test drive because buying just one hide saved me a bundle, and the color is prettier than it photographed. I also learned that Hidehouse tells you the unvarnished truth about whether a particular leather line/grade is compatible with heavy canine use. They told me not to use this one; they were right. The marks won't matter for dog beds. The leather price and getting zippered cushions made as dog beds costs out to be cheaper than new big dog beds from the pet supply stores. I might still go with a leather headboard though. I haven't gotten to bedrooms yet.
  • 13 years ago
    The blue looks like our xl-garbagebags.

    My opinion is they're too dominant for your interior.
  • 13 years ago
    Gee, we can't get XL garbage bags in that color. I could use them in my ceramic kitchen trashcan. Semi-colon, close parenthesis.
  • 13 years ago
    You do not have to change the leather to change the colour.

    I have worked with leather from a very young age.
    [I have a horse.]

    The colour can safely be removed from your leather sofa and re-dyed to whatever colour you wish.

    Ii is DIY and can be done easily and inexpensively.
  • 13 years ago
    If you want the instructions, I would be happy to provide.
    I have posted them before.
  • 13 years ago
    No, thanks. Hope you make your living with that horse.
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    My horse, unlike your 9 dogs, is not penned in a crate.
    He has a stall with a paddock and grazes on 10+acres of grass land in northern Hillsborough County.
  • 13 years ago
    "Hope you make your living with that horse?" What does tht even mean?

    Aja, I did not know that could be done with leather. I thought it was nice of you to offer instructions.
  • 13 years ago
    handymam,

    ???

    Yes! Products are available to dye, not "paint" , leather.
  • 13 years ago
    Good to know! Thanks, will keep it in mind.
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    I put a small oriental that I haven't used in this house down to see what it would look like before having the rug cleaned and the edges taken care of at a restorer, a task I've put off for way too long because the drive is such a pain in the neck. I would not use the rug over the sisal. It was easier for an audition to keep the sisal in place. While I love this oriental rug, I think it's the wrong size because I would have to get the couches too close. Is this correct?
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    Is it possible to try it parallel to the fireplace?
  • 13 years ago
    Yes, good idea. I can't move the couches again today. I can move the rug and get some idea.
  • 13 years ago
    Angling the rug shown below. I think it will work better when I can move the couches again on Wednesday.

    The third decorative painter is coming over to assess the place tomorrow. The other two have not yet given me a bid. The outside frame on the big painting gets taken off on Wednesday. That will leave the painting as originally framed in the smaller, plainer gilt interior frame which should make the painting much easier to fit in and manage stylistically.
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    I angled the rug parallel to the fireplace and got the rug under some of the couch and table feet. Here are four shots that show what will happen to the sofa feet and that the rug looks good angled if those sofa feet are ignored.

    Is it worth moving the sisal to give this placement a thorough try-out?
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    Finding the sofa leg and rug relationship irritating. Are the sofas the same size? If so, have you tried putting them parallel facing each other on opposite sides of the fireplace? If not, what about putting the larger one facing the fireplace parallel to the edge of the rug and putting the other in the bunk house? Just trying to make this work...
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    When Young What's His Name comes back, it would be handy to have a floor plan if possible. That would allow me to experiment without somebody having to drag so much furniture around.
  • 13 years ago
    Try an oval rug.
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    I drew a floor plan of the area which is attached as is a picture of the entry.

    I haven't tried moving the couches yet.
  • 13 years ago
    Just get a smaller rug 6x9 is big enough I like what you have done so far. Sofas look good they are looking at TV And firepl. Go with one with more black. Just a touch of red and other colors.you have enough red with sofas.
  • 13 years ago
    Check out The Yellow Cape Cod.com website/blog. She does online design plans. She has examples of work she has done. They look good to me and it could be what you need to get started. Prices vary according to the number of room plans you need.
  • 13 years ago
    Travisinteriors, thanks but I haven't done anything so far except to try my small oriental (no go) with couches as they are, remove a corner propped painting (staying gone from that corner), take down a bright painting temporarily, exchange a bright blue sky painting for one with dark clouds on one side, and to draw the plan. Oh, I also turned the dining room table back around to where I used to have it so the chandelier, which is still too high, is centered over it in order to get a feeling for how a bow or box window with seating will look there. That's next to nothing. It sure took a long time for next to nothing.
  • 13 years ago
    Removed the larger ornate frame from the painting. It's still where it was because there is a heavy horizontal brace on the wall pit on for support of heavier version. I'm going to try the painting over the fireplace on Monday.
  • 13 years ago
    I've thought of putting a window to the left of the fireplace many times. I did not include one as part of this hazy vision because then I would have one solid wall of windows: window behind dining table (to become box or bow), French doors (these are actually storm doors that open out), and a window to left of fireplace. The wall faces east. It still gets a lot of heat.
  • 11 years ago
    So it is now 10/25/2014 what is the end product ? I feel the largest painting is stunning. The style of the couches goes very well but the rest of the furniture is to petite in size .I don't mean the height,the tables are beautiful but are dwarfed by the couches and artwork.Part of the problem I see is the pictures are hung way to high.We live in a house with different ceiling heights with the highest 20 feet in the living room . A lot of owners feel they should hang pix high to bring the height down a little but this causes imbalance in the area.I think the mantel would look better painted a darker color of gray . The surround of the fireplace appears gray . As posted earlier agree with green/gray wall color but make sure no yellow creeps into the color.As far as furniture placement I agree with prior post that the couches would look best in front of the fp off the walls facing each other. The larger of the 2 tables could be placed behind the back of the couch that is closest to dining area.The pix above the fp in the last pix posted is the right size but hung to high .The new frame on the largest pix is more in line with the other pix.The pix are on the right walls just to high.Do you have things you could pull from other rooms that are more in style with the couches?
  • 10 years ago

    I think the sisal rug color is really clashing with the current wall color, even the smaller rug over helps! BTW, the colors affect each other more when you are in the room, which may explain why you felt it looked better in the photos. Agree with the picture hung low over the largest sofa, which by the way, is very nice. Also agree with many of the comments/suggestions about the wall color. A darker wall color will help show off the artwork. If you're going to use the different rug, consider the rug before choosing the wall color. You may be able to pull a palette for the whole room from the rug. Good luck!

  • 10 years ago
    2 he old post...
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