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Replacing ceiling fan with chandlier

9 years ago

Hi, my husband is trying to replace a ceiling fan and light with a chandelier and needs help. (Photos below) The fan was always able to be turned on by a pull chain whether or not the light switch was on. The light switch had to be on for the light to work. It seems there are two groups of wires on the ceiling. One contains three wires: beige, black and yellow. The black and yellow have power and the beige has no power. We assume black is hot and yellow is neutral. The other group has two wires: beige and black. This seems to be the switch group, however they have no power. When he removed the fan/light (one unit), both ceiling black wires were connected to each other and connected to two black wires coming from the fan/light. The two beige ceiling wires were connected together and also to one white fan/light wire. The yellow ceiling wire was connected to a green fan/light wire. Lastly there was a four-inch green wire connected to the fan/light bracket with a screw. The other side was sticking up into the ceiling but didn't seem connected to anything.

We are having trouble trying to attack the new chandelier. It has one black, one white and one green and yellow striped.

When he connected the chandelier black to the two black ceiling wires, the chandelier white to the two beige ceiling, and the green/yellow chandelier wire to the yellow wire, it blew the fuse. He tried connecting Chandelier white ceiling yellow and chandelier green/yellow to the two ceiling beige, but that didn't work.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Comments (10)

  • 9 years ago

    I would hate to guess what was there earlier and have you keep blowing fuses to fix it, but maybe you have circuit breakers instead of fuses. The yellow ceiling wire was probably constant power to the fan only, so you can cap that with a wire nut and tuck it back up inside the ceiling box. If it has power it was probably not connected to the green fan/light wire.


    This will leave you three pairs of wires to deal with: chandelier black/white, switch group black/beige, and the black/beige/yellow power group. Attach the chandelier white to the beige that comes in with the now-capped yellow. Put black tape over the beige covering on the beige in the black/beige (switch) group and attach that to the black that has power (in the other group). Attach the black in the switch group to the chandelier black.


    Get a green ground screw and start it into the smallest of the five holes in the ceiling box, then wrap the uninsulated end of the green/yellow around the screw and tighten it.


    At the switch box put black tape over the covering of the beige wire from the switch group that lands on one of the two screws on the side of the switch.

    Marium thanked elltwo
  • 9 years ago

    To start with the lighter colored wires a white, not beige and they are the neutrals. There is no ground(ing) wire because the house is wired with metal conduit which functions as the equipment ground. The green/yellow striped wired of the new light gets connected directly to the box using a machine screw (they sell spiffy little green ones in the electrical department of your favorite home center for that purpose).

    Here's the guessing part without additional information.

    The black, yellow, white wires coming in on the right side of your picture provide power to the fan/light (was there a wall switch that independently controlled the fan/light)? The black, white pair coming in on the left side of the box go on to something else, likely a switched outlet somewhere in the room. Connect the black wire of the new light to the black wire on the right along with the black wire on the left. Connect the white wire of the new light to the white wire on the right along with the white wire on the left. Green/yellow of the new light to the box. Cap the yellow wire with a wire nut and tuck back up into the box. Replace the old wall switch, reusing the black wire, cap off the yellow wire. With a bit of luck you should be good to go.

    The other alternative...

    Power comes in on the pair on the left, went down on one of the three on the right to the switch (again a combo switch) and then back up on the remaining two. If that's the case, then connect the black wire on the left to the black wire on the right. Connect the white wire of the new light to the white wire on the left. Connect black wire of the new light to the yellow wire on the right. Cap the white wire on the right and tuck it away. Replace the combo wall switch using the black and yellow wires. Cap the white wire in the wall switch box and tuck it away.

    Good luck!


    Marium thanked mike_kaiser_gw
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    My guess is he wired it correct but did not cap the yellow which shorted on the metal box and tripped the breaker (due to its always live state, used to be for the fan pull chain)

    As for the ground, the little hole south of the bottom hole on the picture is meant for a screw, you put a screw there and attach the green/yellow of the fixture to the screw/box.

    Possible you dont actually have armored cable as a real ground, but we dont know that yet. Still doesnt hurt to bond the fixture to the box. What is mike is talking about is there would be a metal flexible conduit that goes back to the electrical panel and at the panel there is a ground wire that goes outside to a ground rod. If you dont have that then your house does not have a real ground.

    Marium thanked Vith
  • 9 years ago

    We tried what elltwo suggested, but there is no white (now we know beige is white per Mike so I will call it white) connected to the switch. We tried Mike's first suggestion and the light worked, the circuit breaker didn't blow (great) but the switch didn't work. Here is a picture of how the original switch looked:


    We capped the yellow and reused the black. Here is the new switch followed by a photo of the holes that the various wires go to
    The box has four holes - two that go to the right, one that goes up and one the goes down. There are four white wires connected to each other, going out into one of each four holes. There are four black wire connected together - one goes to the switch and then on to through the top hole. The other three go into each of the remaining three holes. Here's another shot
    any thought are appreciated!

  • 9 years ago

    With the circuit turned off place all the blacks in the ceiling box under one wire nut and push this bundle to the back of the box.


    Put the yellow in the ceiling and the black from the chandelier under one wire nut.

    Put the white from the chandelier and all the whites in the ceiling under one wire nut.

    Put the yellow in the ceiling and the black from the chandelier under one wire nut.

    At the switch put the yellow on the same screw that it was on before.


    I'm pretty sure that the yellow wire was not connected to a green wire in the original configuration. It should be hot when the switch is turned on.

    Marium thanked elltwo
  • 9 years ago

    Will do! Thanks!

  • 9 years ago

    Elltwo, I think you are right that the yellow was not connected to green. The yellow was always powered, even if the switch was off.

  • 9 years ago

    Elltwo, should we use the old switch or the new switch? On the old switch, the yellow was wired directly into the switch. So I suppose we will need to use the new switch and attach the yellow to the bottom

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    elltwo, your method worked! Thank you so much. I realize now that besides the ceiling light, the black wire must powee the outlet that we never use.