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Hey houzz folks,

I'm looking for some good advice as my new "dream" kitchen has been installed and there's been a major fumble. Here's what happened:

1) I wanted white perimeter cabinets and slate blue/grey island cabinets. I also knew I wanted Quartz because we are family with three young children and would quickly kill the marble.

Mistake #1:
When I selected the cabinets (signature cabinets) neither the kitchen designer nor the designer I hired pointed out that white is not white. I had no idea of the tonal issues at the time.

Mistake#2 We selected Simply White cabinets and they looked white in the show room. We assumed they were BM simply white. As it turns out they are the cabinet companies version of Simply White. Again, I was unaware and designer was with me and walked away with same assumption it never confirmed.

Mistake #3 When selecting my countertops (Avenza Pental Quartz) neither the designer nor the stone fabricator asked me to bring the white cabinet. In fact, I was never given a sample of the white. Just the blue/grey island since it was a custom color (BM brittania blue). So we selected the counters only with the blue cabinet (which looks great with the counters).

What happens next:
Kitchen cabinets arrive. They look good when they unbox them as they are not up against anything white. Then my crown molding is painted simply white and there is an obvious difference in color. Cabinet maker argues painter needed to match cabinet sample, not just paint based upon color of cabinets we provided. Painter goes and does just that and computer spits out BM Mountain Peak White as best match. Contractor says it's because of lighting. So we wait for lights to go in. in the meantime counters are installed which make the problem worse. The Avenza up against the cabinets only make the read more cream.

I am devastated. No one wants to take responsibility and we are WAY over budget already.....houzzers: what's my next step here?

Comments (49)

  • 9 years ago
    Pretty kitchen! If no resolution from your team, I'd get whiter lights (3500K or 4000K) if you haven't yet, and get your designer to figure out a backsplash to blend it all. Good luck!
  • 9 years ago

    The idea of picking any major finish without having samples of all the other finishes right next to it... just hurts my head. I think you should have been concerned, but for sure your designer should have known better. See whether s/he has any suggestions for pulling things together with a gray backsplash, or whether she can work with you on some other solution. Paint may be your best fall-back.

  • 9 years ago
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    You have an amazing kitchen. It is simply beautiful. I dont think this can be blamed on either of your designers. There are many, many shades of white. Telling them you want white is very broad. You assumed that you were picking Simply White but did not ask for verification and you saw it in the showroom and agreed to it (no different than buying a diamond ring that sparkles under store lighting but not once you have purchased it and walked in to sun light). I think the easiest solution would be to color match some paint to the cabinets and repaint the crown moulding. That seems like a lot of effort thought because it wont make much impact in a kitchen that already looks perfect. I hope your final result is something that you love. Good luck!

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    "I am devastated. No one wants to take responsibility"


    The responsibility is yours. You choose the materials and colors, and failed to verify they all worked together.

    A bit too much assuming.

  • 9 years ago
    The most glaring issue, IMO, is the crown against the cabinets. Get the painter to match the cabinet color and repaint the mounding. A backsplash, as someone has already mentioned, will help tremendously with the counter/cabinet issue. All of this is fixable, it's just different from what you had in your head when you started the project. It's going to end up being great. Just
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    If you have a designer I can't see how this isn't their fault? Isn't that what you are paying them for?

    In any event white is a very difficult color to choose. Take a bright colored sheet and hold it up near you cabinets they will now have that color to them. White reflects and mirrors the surrounding colors.

    If you feel the white is not white enough I would paint and use a backsplash that is more off white as that will make your cabinets look more pure white. You have a beautiful kitchen. Have them fix the crown which is obviously wrong.

    Pick a backsplash and move on. Whites will change throughout the day and depending on the light. Look at it through a fresh look and pick a complimentary backsplash.

    You have learned a valuable lesson don't pick a color from a name and don't pick colors from pictures.

  • 9 years ago

    devastated?

    Have the crown molding repainted.

  • 9 years ago

    Was she/he a interior designer or interior decorator? There is a difference.

  • 9 years ago
    Crown molding will be repainted and I agree that's not a huge deal.

    It's the contrast between the counters and cabinets that bothers me so much. Counters are bright white/blue. Cabinets yellow undertone.
  • 9 years ago
    Interior decorator. Good question/pt of clarification.
  • 9 years ago
    I would just match the crown molding color to the cabinet colors, different shades of white in sample colors will be hard you may have to get sample colors. I agree that a backsplash will help to tie everything in. In the end your kitchen is beautiful and all your family and friends will tell you so.
  • 9 years ago
    All of the "whites" will look different once you start putting things on the counter, when you add window treatments, etc.
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    IT IS BEAUTIFUL, I really like it. I think is too late to do something without incurring major expenses, I think what should have been done is when cabinets arrives, if you didn't love them or was what you didn't expect, o not proceed with countertops until fully ready. You could have exchange them or clearly have at least the resposible part since the main thing is you not liking the "white" cabinets.


    I think it look gorgeous!

  • 9 years ago
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    C'mon folks- Blame the rookie when the "pro" is the one who made a rookie mistake?. What kind of a designer- ever- advises a client during material/color selection without samples, all the while making assumptions that no pro should ever make?

    Now Heather is faced with the decision of either living with something that is unacceptable to her OR getting "fixes" done in a kitchen where all material- expensive, beautiful- is in place. That can be messy, invasive and has the potential for a "whoops" during painting.

    I don't envy your decision, Heather, but do think very carefully before embarking on any major re-do at this stage. Good advice here for some simple remedies.

    BTW: Did you and the designer execute a contract? If so, is there anything in it re: issue resolution/remedies? If not, I bet you won't make that mistake again, either!

    In time this will fade for you as you enjoy this gorgeous kitchen. But I understand how you must feel right now.

    EDIT: Even a decorator should know better.

  • 9 years ago

    Heather, your kitchen is gorgeous! I completely understand your problem with the whites. When we were forced to re-do our kitchen because of water damage, I chose white cabinets. Because of our budget, we didn't buy a new microwave or oven. They are a different white than the cabinets. At first, I was appalled and hated the difference in whites. Now, it doesnt matter as much. I know I can buy new appliances at some point in the future. It's hard to match every thing up colorwise. I agree with some here that your best bet is to have the crown repainted. I know you're mad as a hornet now, but in a year, you may feel different.

    Someone mentioned different lumens in the lighting. That's something you need to carefully look at before you start to re-do paint, etc. Lighting makes a big difference in whites.

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  • 9 years ago

    Heather, A professional interior designers had to attend a accredited design school and be certified. A professional (and I use that lightly) interior decorator has no training or education. All any one needs to do to become a professional interior decorator is to print up business cards. He/she could be the color blind slob down the street who has the pink, orange and purple house. I wish on this site when someone claims they are a "pro" it specifies which one they are.

  • 9 years ago

    You hired a pro and their job is to coordinate and verify colors, ensure the proper samples are used for decision making, and to verify information with the trades. Your pro made a very obvious and easily avoided mistake - not verifying that the cabinet Simply White was BM. A client is relying on the pro for these activities, that is why we hire a pro. If I hire a tax accountant and they use the incorrect tax rate, I expect them to correct my tax return without additional charge! The designer is responsible for repainting the upper cabinet doors.

  • 9 years ago

    To me, the crown is fine, but I'd paint the walls a colour similar to the cabinets.

  • 9 years ago

    If you hire someone to do a specific job, they should perform that job. It is not the homeowners fault when she clearly took the steps she thought necessary to get the look she desired. The intricacies are up to the professional crew to sort.

  • 9 years ago
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    The countertop and cabinets look nice together. Select the right paint color for your walls and tile for your backsplash and pull all the elements together. Adjust the lighting. Repaint the backsplash. It's a really beautiful kitchen so there is no reason to feel devastated.

  • 9 years ago

    I am with jerzeegirl....paint your walls a color...not white and paint your backsplash the same color or find a tile that goes with both wall color and countertop...just not white. I think you are seeing too many shades of white and it is overwhelming to you.....get some color on the walls and backsplash....put some throw rugs on the floor and some colorul stuff on the counters....it will be beautiful.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    "Cabinet maker argues painter needed to match cabinet sample, not just paint based upon color of cabinets we provided."


    Cabinet maker is correct.

  • 9 years ago
    Mistake #1: Choice of professionals
    and I don't mean decorator/ designer choice. there are unqualified, inexperienced and great, talented ones among both camps. The mistake is the two in particular.
    However, they marketed themselves, and took money to do a job, responsibility to do it properly rests with them.
  • 9 years ago
    Thanks all. For those who are proposing painting:

    What color would you recommend?
    And what color would you recommend for backsplash? I had intended on doing subway tile...

    The challenge with color for me is that one of the walls in the kitchen extends from the front of the house where me entry/stairs are. In this hallway you have two different color floorings. The floors in the kitchen are a dark wood tile. Everywhere else in the house is a natural wood floor with a totally different stain color. Am attaching pictures to illustrate what I mean.
  • 9 years ago

    Figuring out who to blame is a waste of time and energy. If you got the materials you ordered, you don't really have any recourse. That said, from the pics you sent, the kitchen is beautiful. I don't think it matters that the white counter isn't an exact match to the white cabinets. The molding color should easily be fixed. Live with it for a week before trying to do anything else. And then just try and find a solution. Move forward.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I would match the crown to the cabinets and then work on a backsplash that blends everything together. Once the crown is matched your eye will not stop there so it will not be obvious to you. The kitchen is beautiful get it finished and enjoy it !!!

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Heather -- Why not start a new thread requesting help on making the best of this situation.


    You can edit your last post to say you are doing so.


    You should get more responses.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Whites can vary from one manufacturer to another. Unless you pay for a strike off an exact match is difficult even with samples. A blend of whites is usually best. Even the slightest change in the sheen of finishes can throw color off. They can be old. The finish can change. I agree about the cabinet sample, As a professional Interior Designer I take all the cabinet samples with me until all the selections are made.

    Re paint the crown add color to the walls, ,add a back splash. Change the lighting, all great suggestions and some drapes on the window to give yourself something else to focus on. It is a beautiful kitchen. Needs finishing. Ask the designer if she will help you with the rest of the finishes, if not hire another designer that specializes in color. As far as the long wall goes. You can stop the paint before it goes into the hallway. It just needs a clean crisp line.

  • 9 years ago
    You put fake wood tile next to a wood floor - and you are worried about the color of your cabinets not looking good with your counter?
  • 9 years ago
    Wow
  • 9 years ago

    Hey, Heather- one more fairly simple solution might be to change out the chairs, or paint them if that's an option. It's yet another shade of white that may be competing with the others. If you are seriously considering painting your walls, then perhaps it won't matter as much, though.

  • 9 years ago

    Oh Heather, I am so sorry you feel devastated. There is so much valuable advice on your post already. When this is all settled and you have the white look the way you want it, I am sure you will be able to truly enjoy your glorious space. Your island is amazing, the stone counter with its subtle veining is gorgeous, the custom hood and the details on your cabinets are all so pretty. Hoping this gets resolved and you enjoy your space.

  • 9 years ago
    The floor would make me crazy but the kitchen looks fine. With different lighting and putting some things on the counters you will love it. But maybe paint the crown as others have mentioned. Also a nice coordinating black splash. Maybe don't use your designer, just do it yourself!
  • 9 years ago
    If you are anything like we are, you are exhausted from the mess and making choices. Relax and rest, then follow the suggestions above that appeal to you, like painting the crown, choosing a backsplash, wallpaint and window treatments. You have a great kitchen! A friend of mine got white cabinets that looked pink. She survived and made it all work. She has a lovely kitchen.
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Hiring some one not qualified to do the project and expecting great results. See it all time unrealistic expectations.

  • 9 years ago

    Wow. Clearly the op spent a packetful of money to get her dream kitchen and you all are acting like she did something wrong. She trusted the professionals she hired, period.

  • 9 years ago
    Hi Heather, if you can get a small piece of your cabinet color/door/filling, you can take it to your local Home Depot and they can color match it. You will have the color for your crown molding. I just redid my kitchen and was able to color match off white cabinets. Was told the machine can color match an item as small as a dime or quarter. I purchased a sample and tested it first on a piece of wood and it was identical to the cabinet color. Hope this helps.
  • 9 years ago

    Heather, your kitchen is gorgeous! And it is obviously high quality!

    I would take a cabinet door and a primed scrap of your crown moulding to a Benjamin Moore dealer. They will work with your color and test it on the crown until it is perfect.

    I would also "insist" that the painter, mask and plastic off everything, and spray the crown in place. (Provided he is skilled with a sprayer, that is!)

    Or the best thing would be if your cabinet company would give you matching paint. There could be a problem, however, if it is a solvent type finish that cannot be replicated on the job site.

  • 9 years ago
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    The least amount of different whites in the room, the better. Agree about the crown. no big deal. match it to the cabinets. bring in a door to the paint room if you have to.

    brighter daylight bulbs to bring in more blue/white.

    no white backsplash unless it's a perfect match w/the cabinet shade.

    paint the walls an actual color. that will make your cabinets appear white, like you hoped.

    Collingwood?

    Do we like any of these lighter green/grays? love these

    Any of these blue/gray tones?

    this rain color is one of my faves and it goes w/the oak color in the other room

  • 9 years ago
    Hi Heather! I am having a home built and am constantly second guessing my white choices for this reason. First off...your room is gorgeous regardless. Great job on picking beautiful stuff. Second, I hope there are some pros an here that can help.
  • PRO
    9 years ago
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    I skimmed, so forgive me. If the "designer" referred to is a cabinet salesperson, enough said.

    The worst word ever is "assume" , it is asking for trouble no matter design, your car's blinking warning light, or that your teen will always do the right thing.

    Fault is shared by all due to lack of questions asked, the most important of which is at every turn in selection process and in relativity to the expense and permanence of any selection within, exactly one:

    What. Could. Go. Wrong. Here. ?

    You sign off on design and layout, on cabinetry style/stain/color. You sign off on counter selection......on a flooring order. Your signature quite literally implies acceptance- no tile sales person will ask "are you sure this works with your existing flooring"? No cabinet mfg will ask "Hey, have you checked this white with your counter selection"?

    There's no great advice to be had I fear. If the tone of white is so disturbing? Cabinetry can be painted professionally at some expense..........

    The flooring, to me , is just as disturbing and I can't fathom the selection. .... I can assume you said you wanted tile, and I must assume a "designer" did not argue , or I can assume she did not care. I wish I had answers that would not cost a chunk of change. What Could Go Wrong, Did. So very sorry.

  • 9 years ago

    FWIW, Heather, I think this is one of the prettiest, most timeless kitchens I've seen here (or anywhere else, for that matter!) In fact, one of the things I like most is the cool, crisp white of the countertops set against the creamier white of the cabinets. To me, that is most elegant looking, and actually gives the same kind of "feel" as if you'd chosen Carrara marble countertops. :)

  • 9 years ago
    I am undergoing a kitchen renovation right now and totally understand how you feel. Something always goes "wrong." For us it was a carpenter who started with a perfectionistic approach and performance quickly declined. Also, we had some cabinet issues and had to keep ordering replacements.

    The fact here is that finding blame will not change anything. The second fact is that you have a truly beautiful kitchen. One to envy at that! I know you're upset about the cabinets not being as white as you liked but you can find away around that with paint, backsplash, and replacing the white stools. You've been given some good ideas.

    The floor difference doesn't bother me. Everyone has their own rules for what looks good. You can't listen to what everyone says on here or you'll go crazy. If you love it, that's all that matters.

    My advice to you is to demand a lower fee from the decorator of you have not already paid them and hire a designer to help you make this a place you love.
  • PRO
    9 years ago
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    "The fact here is that finding blame will not change anything."

    I promise when that painter has to come back and repaint for free with the matching color that he should have had the first time, he will never again spray a drop without a signed approved sample. So this kitchen will change with blame assignment as will every one he ever paints from now on.

    This painter has made more than one mistake. He failed to gauge the sophistication level of his customer. I know with whom I'm dealing when I look at the home's landscaping as I pull in the driveway. If I pass through the garage and it's cleaner than my kitchen, that's going to be reflected in the price. You want fussy? I got plenty of fussy. It's on the top shelf. Let me get some for you, please.

    It isn't all that difficult.

  • 9 years ago
    Joseph, I don't expect the painter to re paint for free and it doesn't seem she does either. She will get the exact paint color and will have to pay him/her to reprint the trim. Now she knows.
  • 9 years ago

    Your base cabinets seem more white on my computer. I would try the whiter light like someone above recommended it may help. Have you compared the sample of the cabinets to make sure the cabinets were not painted the wrong color?

  • PRO
    9 years ago
    Heather? Your kitchen is going to be lovely. Yes. I too suffer from "things are never as bad as I think they are nor are they ever as good as I think they should be"
    The cabinets do surely seem more creamy but I do think when all the lighting is put in, the crown color changes, wall paint( love the colors suggested in this string), the backsplash chosen to meld the materials together, and all the finishing touches added in( i am sure you have lots of exquisite little lovelies in blue and cream and white to add in when it's all said and done), it will be a knockout
    We built our house 15 yrs ago. When we went to do the walkthru? I just about cried when I saw the white ring of the can lights against our soft sand colored ceiling. I told my husband something had to be done immediately as soon as we got settled.
    Those can rings are still white because once we got our things unpacked and lovelies put around? I never noticed them again.....
    Take a deep breath....
  • PRO
    9 years ago
    Hi Heather! Very curious how this resolved and what it's looking like now? Such a pretty space....let us know :)