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Suggestions?

Anybody have suggestions for this strip against the wall of our garden under a big loquat and old lemon tree? It's a pretty shady spot. It might get 2-3 hours of direct sun in the summer. Right now maybe 1 hour and on the right almost none.

I would like something perennial with seasonal color.

Also the planter boxes at the base of the fence are only 5" tall 5" wide. I've had gardenias and cyclamens but they haven't lasted. The orchids were dying inside and my wife was going to toss them. I put them there and they have been producing flowers.

Thanks and Happy New Year!



Comments (12)

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Alot of succulents actually do well in shade so if you are interested in color. Succulents come in a range of colors including blues and grays and reds and this helps bring year round color to a planting area.

    llilibel03zone10bsunset24 thanked Red Berm
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you. As you might be able to see there is one Aloe there in front of that log. I've tried basil, raspberry, strawberries, columbine, lamb's ear, parsley, alfalfa...all died.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    All of those except for lambs ear are annual so they will die in a year or a few seasons and not perfect for so cal weather which gets really hot in the summer and they would need lots of water. If you can get a gardener to put in an irrigation system it might help if you want to keep trying herbs and such. (Usually we put herbs and veggies in raised beds to give them better more nutrient soil. ) Succulents are perennial so will live multiple years.

    llilibel03zone10bsunset24 thanked Red Berm
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The planter box would be a good place for epiphytes like the orchids you already have. IDK which orchid species they are, probably Phalaenopsis. It might get a little cold for them outside if that's the case. You could put Billbergia or Neoregelia in them if you like Bromeliads. Forest cactus like Slumbergera or Rhipsalis could work. Catleyas and Cymbidiums would probably bloom well if it gets a little sun.

    For the ground, I would think about Sanseveria, Haworthia, Gasteria, Gasteraloes, and Ledebouria for succulents. If you want something a little more herbaceous Lomandra and Dianella if it gets a bit of sun.

    llilibel03zone10bsunset24 thanked Nil13 usda:10a sunset:21 LA,CA (Mount Wash.)
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Really .. @ Nil13 usda:9a sunset:21 LA,CA (Mount Wash.)

    When plants are grown in their correct zones and right conditions they are perennials. But not for these plants..not in so cal and not in the shown growing conditions. When a plant is not grown in it's right zone it can be called an annual.

    Alfalfa is at the most a zone 6. And there is not enough sun, fertilizer, or water for any of the others. Strawberry can be a zone 9 but you have to replant every few years. Raspberry and Columbine are rated to zone 9 but they don't grow well here ..and the soil is too compact for parsley.. so... if the right plants are picked and put in the right conditions they will live...like succulents which I suggested.

    - not meant for original poster just for dude who likes to contradict.


    llilibel03zone10bsunset24 thanked Red Berm
  • 8 years ago

    Alfalfa is at most a zone 6? Lol tell that to all the farmers in CA even SoCal that are nowhere near zone 6 that have been growing it successfully for over a century.

    The soil is too compact for parsley? First you have no idea how compact that soil is. Secondly, I've seen parsley self sow and thrive in a crack in some exposed bedrock. Parsley is insanely tough and can handle hard dry soil.

    Fruit strawberries replant themselves just fine but other Fragaria species take care of themselves much better.

    I don't like to contradict but when I see blatantly incorrect information from a so-called "pro", I feel obligated to correct it.

    llilibel03zone10bsunset24 thanked Nil13 usda:10a sunset:21 LA,CA (Mount Wash.)
  • 8 years ago

    I would use agapanthus.

    llilibel03zone10bsunset24 thanked User
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Thanks for all the suggestions. I've always attributed the failure of the plants- basil, parsley, raspberry to low light (1-3 hours of direct sun). The alfalfa grew well there. I just plowed it into the soil after it went to seed as was suggested but it never grew back. It does grow and interestingly sprouted up in a couple of other spots in the garden. I wanted to do all edibles but have not been successful. I will under the suggestions and plant in the spring...


    I should also point out that we are in coastal LA, less than a mile from the ocean and it very rarely gets really hot or really cold.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    There aren't very many vegetables that will do well with that little sun. Ajuga, Liriope, western sword fern, spider plant?

  • 8 years ago

    Hi llilibell. It is hard to grow edibles under citrus trees, so don’t feel too bad about the ones you have tried so far not working out. I have had luck with creeping rosemary under/around citrus, It does well here in inland NorCal in sun or shade and helps bring more bees for pollination. It won’t flower as much in shade, but the shade would also help keep the growth of it more manageable so you don’t have to do as much pruning.

    The orchids are going to look great there. I would be tempted to get more and do all of the planter boxes with orchids.

    The rocks look nice bordering the planting area... if plants don’t work out there what about getting some more rocks and making it into more of a rock garden? You could get different colors and even make it into a bit of design. :-)

  • 8 years ago

    That close to the ocean means you can do things like this easily. From an orchid society member...

    Laelia anceps.