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Help with proper ID for 'Purple Sensation'

Came across a Hosta labelled 'Purple Sensation' which has no listing in the HL or on Hugo's database. It's gotta be a common variety, saw it on-line @ Veseys.

Any ideas?


Pieter

Comments (23)

  • 8 years ago

    Foliage looks a lot like it but you can be sure once it blooms. The flowers - a deep purple edged in white - are pretty unique.

  • 8 years ago

    Ruffed Up?

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I saw the same pic in a different catalog labeled as Purple Sensation.

  • 8 years ago

    looks like a wholesale dutch bulb company plant ... ken


    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hosta+Purple+Sensation&t=ffcm&ia=web

  • 8 years ago

    Donna, 'Ruffed Up' has pale lavender flowers....Closest I've been able to come up with is 'Stirfry', which I have and I'll check my files when I get back home to see what colour the flowers are...

    Pieter

  • 8 years ago

    looks like they grow gobs of ventricosa seed and call it purple sensation

    ventricosa is pretty ruffled in spring then, settles out some.

  • 8 years ago

    Found it on the bakker website and on some others selling plants in Europe in general, not specialised on hostas, same picture as shown above on all...It's a nice looking plant, makes me wonder why there are no other pictures...

  • 8 years ago

    Another hint that makes me think this is 'Stirfry', one of the website you get to via Ken's link is K. van Bourgondien and if you look at the navigation link it shows as stir-fry... and here's a cropped picture of one of my 'Stirfry' flowers...


    Pieter

  • 8 years ago

    Well, now you’ve done it. I’ve already placed my orders. But now I want Stirfry.

  • 8 years ago

    i wish chris would chime in .... in the mean time .....


    im not all that impressed with those flowers being so unique .... but i dont have any comparisons off hand ...


    my best guess ... this is just a seedling chosen first for wavy leaves.. and then cool flowers ... and then simply mass produced by dutch growers.. and then marketed ... all the power to them ...


    but i dont know why you all think there is some other mystery other name that applies to it ...


    i guess i am thinking back to the big marketing hype about the sun hosta.. a few years back ...


    ken

  • 8 years ago

    'Stirfry' doesn't appear to have the distinct white edging to the flowers that 'Purple Sensation' does...........

    Since new hosta varieties are popped out on almost a daily basis, I wonder why it is so difficult to accept that this may be a newer selection with Dutch origins rather than a mislabeled existing variety? Is everyone so on top of all hosta developments that they know of ALL new introductions?

  • 8 years ago

    No, I'm NOT on top of all new Hosta introductions and the fact an unknown variety I cannot find on either the HL or Hugo's database is being offered cheaply by a wide variety of marketers made me suspect we're dealing with a re-labeled cultivar rather than a new one. Truly new and unique varieties have a habit of showing up at somewhat higher prices than this one's being offered at.

    Having said all that, I think I'll get one and we'll see over the summer how the flowers compare. Stay tuned!

    Pieter

  • 8 years ago

    The hosta behind the trillium in this shot is Stirfry - very upright.

    I think yours might be Holly's Dazzler.

  • 8 years ago

    'Stirfry' and 'Holly's Dazzler' have the same parentage: 'Holly's Honey' selfed so the family resemblance is no coincidence, however the flower colour appears to differ when you look at the pix on the HL.

    This is a screen capture of the web page referenced above.

    If you look at the address bar in the browser you can see it points to https://www.dutchbulbs.com/product/hosta-stirfry and a crop of the capture below:

    All of the on-line pictures I've seen thus far appear to be the same shots with the colour saturation on the flower shots varying -as if someone's trying to draw attention to it in some of them- but when you look at the flower itself it should be obvious you cannot have 2 or more different flowers when the petals, tepals, stamen and pistil are all at the exact same alignment.

    Pieter

  • 8 years ago

    This is pretty maddening. Being sold by some capable sellers, but not hosta specialists. The (British) Thompson & Morgan site even claims that this hosta has "a delightful fragrance." A blatant lie from a company I generally respect. (Bakker says the same.) Breck's—certainly not a quality seller—flips and color-enhances the flower picture and shows what may or may not be the full clump (with scapes) in an inset pic. The fact that De Vroomen is selling 25 starts for $60.50 (wholesale) means this isn't some new hosta where someone is getting royalties. Someone just took one of the Holly's Honey offspring and sent it to TC.

    We can't really stop this sort of thing from happening. In the end the only difference it makes is that you can't enter this in a "named" section of a Hosta Show.

    I'll see if I can flag this thread for Hugo to consider.

  • 8 years ago

    Hugo's opinion is that it's Stirfry, but I have to wonder, when Stirfry is a perfectly marketable name, they would slap something else on it. The flowers are unlike H. ventricosa (assuming the picture is at all correct), but it could be one of the other Holly's Honey group out of ventricosa. Which makes me think maybe they got their hands on 'Holly's Velvet Piecrust', which is not a terribly marketable name. Unfortunately there's not a single close-up picture of an HVP flower on the internet. But since Vik Serafin has provided a picture of the flower for the Hosta Library, maybe she can weigh in.

  • 8 years ago

    Yes, it is Hosta 'Stirfry' being introduced with a new name. I came across it a couple months ago and got confirmation through a couple wholesale catalogs where it was listed it as also being known as Hosta 'Stirfry'.

    Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked ctopher_mi
  • 8 years ago

    So this a marketing ploy and we should properly call it Stirfry and ignore the Purple Sensation designation?

    Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked peren.all Zone 5a Ontario Canada
  • 8 years ago

    'Stirfry' is indeed a registered variety, see here.

    Pieter

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    There would appear to be a naming issue here, in as much as some are marketing this as Purple Sensation Hosta and others as Hosta Purple Sensation, which to some might appear to be the same thing but at least one of the on-line vendors, Breck's, markets this as Purple Sensation Hosta with the 'botanical name' being Hosta 'Stirfry' -which is the way it should have been done by all those selling this product- with the following details:

    Description Rare, Intense Purple Blooms!

    This vibrant
    green hosta makes a pretty statement in shady borders and pots, but it's
    the summer blooms that really shake things up. Unlike traditional hosta
    varieties that produce pale lavender or soft white flowers, Purple
    Sensation features rich purple flowers edged and striped in snowy white.

    The perfect follow-up to your spring-blooming bulbs, hostas make great
    ground covers and attract beneficial pollinators to their bell-shaped
    blooms.


    Details

    Botanical Name Hosta 'Stirfry'

    Form Perennial

    Hardiness Zone 3 to 9

    Flowering Time Mid to late summer

    Light Requirements Full Shade, Partial Shade

    Flower Color Purple with white stripes and petal edges

    Flower Form Bell shaped flowers

    Foliage Type Oval with a rounded base, rippled edge and a distinct, twisted leaf tip

    Growth Rate Fast;Medium



    It would appear as if Purple Sensation is being used by the source of the plugs as a Trade Designation rather than a varietal name.

    The ICNCP prohibits the registration of more than one cultivar name for the same plant as stated below:


    "The
    naming of taxa governed by this Code is based upon priority of
    publication. Each cultivar or Group with a particular circumscription
    and each grex with a particular parentage may bear only one accepted name: the earliest that is in accordance with the Rules, except as is provided for within this Code."


    ICNCP, Eighth Edition, Principle 3 (page 3), http://www.upov.int/edocs/mdocs/upov/en/caj_66/caj_66_www_219065.pdf


    With this said, assigning trade names is allowed by the Code and is common practice, even though some may view the practice as unethical. Trade names must follow these rules:


    Article 13 Trade Designations

    13.1 A trade designation is not a name regulated under this Code but is a device that has been used for marketing a cultivar, Group, or grex in place of its accepted name.


    Article 17 Trade Designation Status

    17.1 Trade designations may not be placed within demarcating quotation marks.

    17.2 If cited, trade designations must always be accompanied by their accepted names.

    17.3
    If cited, trade designations must always be distinguished
    typographically from cultivar, Group, and grex epithets. [e.g., all
    upper case letters or different typeface]

    Thanks to Don Rawson for pointing me in this direction and the ICNCP information.

    All in all pretty confusing and deceptive, I knew I smelled something fishy...

    Pieter


  • 8 years ago

    i wish chris would chime in .... in the mean time .....


    ==>>> apparently he can be summoned at will ... lol .. ken

  • 8 years ago

    Very sloppy marketing from shady producers (no pun intended). Is anyone listing it as PURPLE SENSATION (with our without ®, and if with, then who is it registered to)?

    Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked DTeager